Now, do you ever actually answer a post? It would seem that all you do often is come in, call names, & then leave w/o answering the question at hand. So, I'll ask you the same question, & my question has nothing to do w/ Joseph Smith or our church, so try & stay on topic.
Who's right about all doctrine MHG, you & those that think likewise, the Catholics, or one of the other thousands of "Christian" churches that differ from your opinions? It's a simple question & a simple answer that has nothing to do w/ our church will suffice.
If you resort to just bashing the church w/o answering once again, I'll conclude you don't have an answer, & that's o.k. b/c I don't expect you to. I've never been able to have a reasoned discussion w/ you w/o you taking a quick trip to the sandbox,& as you know, I will not follow. But I'm willing to give it another try.
Your religion's founders did not comprehend the Gospel of Grace in Christ. I do not marvel that your religious argument is founded in the epistle of James ... he was a devout Jew, a dogmatic follower of the Law. He did not believe in Jesus until after he met Him in resurrection. For 19 years James was head of the Church at Jerusalem and apparently ran that Church as a minor sect of Judaism, with Jesus as Messiah but the followers as subject to the Torah, the Law of Moses. Your cult follows the same pathway, negating the Gospel of Grace to emphasize 'all that you can do' and THEN your idea is Jesus will kick in what you haven't amassed to earn exaltation/salvation. The message of Mormonism is a gospel of works, of 'all that you can do' so you have something to be proud of when you stand before God for Judgment.
You would do well to read the introduction of Paul's letter to the Galatian Churches ... gentile Churches filled with people from Gall, not Jewish Churches steeped in the Torah. Notice how Paul opens his letter to the Galatians, in contrast to the way James opens his epistle to ONLY the Jews!
You and your apologetics for the cult of Smithism will read the above and see nothing of a message, no substance. And that is revealing because it highlights what your cultish minds cannot allow to penetrate else you might awaken and be converted to the Gospel of Grace in Christ. Several months ago, when first I began 'debating' salvation with your Mormonism Apologist ilk at FR, I had a deep desire to open Mormon eyes to the Grace of God in Christ. With the intervening weeks of demonically inspired garbage from one blind Mormon sycophant after another, I am all out of patience with you servants of the son of perdition. Only God's Spirit can open the eyes of the willfully blind who are so enraptured with their own meritorious works. Therefore I have ceased to strive with you servants of the most low, I just enter posts that expose the lies and mischaracterizations and heresies at the heart of your founder, his henchmen, and your 'religious' texts.
You want to stand up strawman after strawman --like 'Who's right about all doctrine'-- yet you have not the vision of how filthy you are in God's sight without Christ. You reject Salvation immediately upon confession of Christ and belief in your heart that God raised Him from the dead ... you mouth the phrases and reject the immediate deliverance!You cannot even grasp the first principle of the Gospel of Grace in Christ and want nothing but to inject 'all that you can do' to create a debit system between you and God.
You are headed for Hell in a velvet self-works handbasket if you keep that up. You are spitting on the Blood of Christ when you seek to inject ANY works by you to be counted in any way toward your salvation/exaltation. Stop twisting the Truth, stop listening to the voice of 'yes, BUT'. You lose when you listen to that lie, just as Eve lost when she listened to that lie. Stop serving the devil's counter message to the Grace of God in Christ.
What makes your mind become so twisted that you ask a question about denominations and sects, without asking the most important question? You want to draw me into debating whether the Catholic Church is more right than the Lutherans, or the Baptist more right than the Presbyterians. Satan wants that very thing to pull attention away from the Grace of God in Christ, regardless of from whence cometh the Truth. But the lies at the heart of Mormonism don't point toward the Grace of God in Christ, they point to the works of 'good Mormons', the faithfulness of good followers of the false prophet, Joseph Smith.
Paul said to work out your own salvation in fear and teembling ... and a study of the Gospel of Grace will teach you that is not Paul saying save yourself through all that you can do, it is 'know that it is God in you to do that which is according His good pleasure.' In sharp contrast the gospel according to Joe Smith, et al is 'do all that you can do so Jesus will then add what only He can do for you, to pay you for showing your sincere desire to be good for godhood sake.'
Answer your question in light of the heresies at the heart of Mormonism rather than seeking to point out the work of Satan in perverting the Gospel as held by the Catholic Chruch despite the heresies of a few Popes in the past, and despite the slide of a few who rebelled against the gopel perverted by the heretics within the Catholic Church of an earlier age. When are you going to realize that Jesus said the Gates of Hell cannot prevail against His Grace, so Salvation did not take a holiday for 1800 years until God found a fourteen year old conman in the making to restore the Gospel of 'all that you can do'?
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If not then please cease to explain what she "Meant" by things as only she can actually tell us that.
1,392 posted on 11/30/2007 5:52:04 PM CST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
To: MHGinTN
First of all, out of common courtesy, I would ask you to never call me son. By the tone of your posts I surmise you are quite a bit younger than I.
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You and DU need to get together. Either we can understand what a poster types, or not.