Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
2: 14 aWhat doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath bfaith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or asister be naked, and destitute of daily bfood,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye agive them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so afaith, if it hath not bworks, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my afaith by my bworks.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the adevils also bbelieve, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that afaith without bworks is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father ajustified by works, when he had boffered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by aworks was faith made bperfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham abelieved God, and it was imputed unto him for brighteousness: and he was called the cFriend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by aworks a man is bjustified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not aRahab the harlot bjustified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the aspirit is bdead, so faith without cworks is dead also.
Is that enough to make the point?
Huh?
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Galatians 2:15-16
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
but (you knew there was going to be a "but")...
if you think they somehow undermine the unique prominence of Peter as leader, spokesman, one could even say as Jesus' lieutenant among His twelve picked men ----these verses don't at all prove what you think they prove.
I will not go line-for-line (don't have the opportunity right now) though I'd be delighted to do so "had I but world enough and time."
Just for the sake of properly understanding you, let me ask you to explain your religious ideas in a little more detail. Do you think the Church founded by Christ has had a continuous existence for the past 2000 years?
If so, could you recommend the writings of anybody who was a member or leader of Christ's Church in, say, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 12th, and 14th centuries, so I can get a historic perspective on how Christ's Church has fared over the two millennia of its existence?
Thank you, and God bless you.
I believe that they think Jesus and Lucifer were both sired by God as sons.
Lucifer is a created being, Jesus was not. He was incarnate on this earth for a short time but has always existed with God.
“Likewise also was not aRahab the harlot justified by works” ... nice, Rahab’s works were prostitution and lying when hiding the Hebrew spies. On the other hand, she exhibited her faith in the promise from God (through Joshua) that if she hang the red cord from her window she and her household would be saved when the city fell. THAT is faith in the Grace of God, thus she was justified by her faith in the Promises of God, not by her works of ... well, you should get the point.
I was explaining how the thief on the cross received salvation
It is a bit of a mystery to me though what his works were. I am sure Jesus saw him worthy as he told him he would be with Him in paradise.
I didn't mention thinking about them one way or the other. I just asked a question.
Why would you 'assume' that they are?
Do you have any knowledge of their beliefs?
Alrighty then...
I guess YOU’VE been put in your place!!
Why are you 'imagining?
Do you have any knowledge of their beliefs?.
Jumped?
You type; I respond.
How is that considered to be jumping?
Well then; what IS a metaphor?
To graze yer cows in.
Warning noted.
What many do not understand is some of these talks one has already entering in straight gate so they would have previous knowledge and not be brief again.
It is because of the LDS standard works this knowledge is made awared of.
What I don’t understand is why so many like to cherry pick the scriptures they all work togather when you have a background by studying the fullness of he Gospel.
2 Ne. 31: 17-21.
17 Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me, that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
b Luke 13:
24 ¶ Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
3 Ne. 27:
33 And it came to pass that when Jesus had ended these sayings he said unto his disciples: Enter ye in at the strait gate; for strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it; but wide is the gate, and broad the way which leads to death, and many there be that travel therein, until the night cometh, wherein no man can work.
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