Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
Romney's faith and religion CAN and most probably WILL split the Evangelical vote and the Republican party if he is nominated. That is something that mormons, in general, are turning a blind eye to, or are feverently wishing, as one poster put it, "There will be a media backlash".
IMO, that backlash will not happen during the general election because the media is the propaganda arm of the democrat party, and will aid and abet the tearing down of the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is...mormonism simply provides the dems with another arrow in the quiver.
I wonder if rank and file mormons are at all prepared for what the future holds? There have already been articles written about the reaction to the new light being shone on the religion, and as a former mormon, I believe that there are many, many who are not prepared for the questions coming their way.
Seminary and church studies in the wards and stakes are not preparing members for the avalanche of media attention coming. There are areas of belief that the average mormon will not have an inkling of when questions on them come their way.
I believe it will be painful for many.
Just following that New Testament. You know, faith without works is death. We just don’t want to die.
So what part of James do you think I don’t understand? Or do you just want to “add to the scriptures” to meet your “doctrine”?
Ecumenical Councils.
Yes it does.
You may worship your god but he is not the Christian God that did not come from man but has always been and will always be God. Man will not become a god and God did not come from man.
You are playing the typical Mormon game of adopting Christian terms to subvert what you really believe and want people to see.
If you want to be known as a Christian then say, “I believe in the one true God that has always been God and I believe in His son Jesus who died for my sins and by his grace alone I am saved.”
Say that.
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I have not played word games with anyone. I have shared what is LDS doctrine. If others reject it, so be it. Their rejecting it does not make it any less valid to those that believe it.
Again, it comes back to the first vision. Did Joseph Smith see God, the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ? In that vision, God revealed himself in image of a man, as did Jesus Christ, which is natural as he lived on this earth, died and was resurrected with his now immortal body.
What does it mean to worship God in the here after? If the children of God are not to grow and become like their own Father, then what are they to do inn eternity? The LDS faith actually tries to answer that.
325 AD
" What were Christians before the Nicene Creed?"
The communities gathered around their bishops, that is, the successors to the Twelve Apostles, and in communion with the successor of Peter, whose role was primarily to "strengthen the brethren," as it says in the Gospel of Luke 22:32:
But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have returned, strengthen your brothers."
Footnotes please....
As described in Revelation and I will be at his feet worshiping Him.
No you are worshiping the god of LDS so you need to call him LDS god or whatever you are not worshiping the Christian God. The Christ you claim to center in your church was not the brother of Lucifer and is in triune with God.
Can you say that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, NOT the same in purpose only? You cannot if you are an LDS faithful.
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I cannot and will not say that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one in the same. The baptism of Jesus evidenced they are not. Christ is Christ, he isn’t your Christ alone or my Christ. He is Christ the Lord, for all. We may have differing views, but that does not make LDS faithful non-christians.
Where did Lucifer come from and how is he relevant to basic doctrines of the LDS church in accepting Christ and worshiping God? Lucifer, a fallen angel, is Satan and seeks to thwart God’s will.
There are two levels/meanings of Salvation: first, God applies the blood of Jesus to your heart and you are cleansed to absolute cleanest state of Jesus Christ; second, He, residing in your cleansed human spirit, transforms you, delivers you, saves you from the fallen state of your behavior mechanism that you inherited from Adam in the human race. The first is His fulfillment of His promise and thus to be taken at an 'amen' level of faith. He is Jehovah Shammah. The second is a process whereby you lean on His strength in adversity, and run to His protection when evil assaults your soul. These concepts come directly from the Old Testament where 'batah' (to lean on), 'hasa' (to run to for cover), and 'amen' (absolute belief in the Promise of God because He cannot lie) are found and explained on many occasions of the scriptures.
To exercise faith in Christ as a means to strengthen you so YOU can do all that you can do to be worthy is to focus upon the second meaning of salvation and miss the first and most vital to your eternal destiny. Satan enjoys such dissembling because it elevates your 'works' to focus upon in striving and leaves you dead in spirit in your fallen state because you have not the Spirit in you so you are none of His.
Not at all.
Stewart’s Chapel Baptist Church in Flintville, TN Pastor, Bro. Bennie Hipps.
See post #349. Have a nice evening.
All men are not saved. All will be resurrected some where/when, some to honor and some to damnation. They will be resurrected because they were given at conception of them an aspect which is eternal, the spirit of the man/woman. The Bride of Christ is so precious to Christ that ‘She’ will not be stood up for judgment seat handling because She is under the blood of Jesus and ‘atoned for by the price He paid to redeem her.’ I’m sure you can read about the kinsman redemer and comprehend this truth (and Paul will help you if you read Romans and Hebrews in the New Testament). The Judgemnt Seat of Christ will not be a pretty picture and Christ will not subject His precious Bride to this fearful event.
Additionally, and astonishingly coincidental my pastor moved to our church from New Mexico just 2 years ago. I don’t know where in New Mexico though.
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Your posts are a welcome change to many posted by apologists that have been holding forth here for months and I appreciate that. There have been many, many discussions since Romney decided to seek the Presidency...that’s why your statement, “Faith and religion are personal matters” simply does not hold true now.
Romney’s faith and religion CAN and most probably WILL split the Evangelical vote and the Republican party if he is nominated. That is something that mormons, in general, are turning a blind eye to, or are feverently wishing, as one poster put it, “There will be a media backlash”.
IMO, that backlash will not happen during the general election because the media is the propaganda arm of the democrat party, and will aid and abet the tearing down of the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is...mormonism simply provides the dems with another arrow in the quiver.
I wonder if rank and file mormons are at all prepared for what the future holds? There have already been articles written about the reaction to the new light being shone on the religion, and as a former mormon, I believe that there are many, many who are not prepared for the questions coming their way.
Seminary and church studies in the wards and stakes are not preparing members for the avalanche of media attention coming. There are areas of belief that the average mormon will not have an inkling of when questions on them come their way.
I believe it will be painful for many.
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Thank you for your kind words. Honestly, I have been a long time lurker on FR. I even had a user name but the password got messed up and my email address wasn’t recognized at the time, so I started a new one. I remember when FR was linked on Drudge’s site long ago, which is how I found the place. I give that as background that I am not some noob coming in here at the request of others.
Anywho, I think Romney would be an excellent president. I wouldn’t vote for him because he is LDS, but I would vote for him because I believe he can do the job. I am still weighing my options. I like Guilliani and Thompson as I believe those three have the name recognition to win the national election.
If Romney’s faith splits the party, that will be. unfortunate because the evangelicals really have an ally in Romney, more so than any democratic nominee.
As for your other comments about will the LDS faithful be ready for the onslaught, God only knows. I know the times will get rougher for all faithful in exercising that faith and standing firm. Many will fall by the wayside, that is clear. It is difficult now for each member to stay faithful from cradle to grave. I know there is much in the early history of the LDS church that can be very vexing. I went through my own crucible of faith and came out the other side stronger for it. What I think will help those face the onslaught is the emphasis on service and helping one another. That really does distill true religion. The faith will take care of itself after that. I hope.
Originally, it meant the daily activities people do to express their faith; it shares the same root meaning as "cultivate" and "culture," and it is not derogatory. It means "religious practice."
However, in the last half-century especially the word "cult" has taken on increasingly negative connotations: first, merely a "minority" or "out-of-mainstream" religion; and then, worse, a group organized by an abusive guru-figure who uses psychological manipulation, the threat of violence, and actual violent coercion to control his followers.
Now to the question of how Catholicism regards Mormonism: we see it as being strikingly different from historic Christianity, and we consider both its extra-Biblical scriptures and its rites and sacraments to be invalid (i.e. they are not scriptures or sacraments in the Catholic sense.)
This does not imply any judgment against individual Mormons. The Catholic Catechism teaches, "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church." In other words we recognize truth and virtue wherever they are found.
So LDS DO worship two gods? What about you?
Well, people can think you're doctrinally wrong and yet still be tolerant in this sense: that they rely on persuasion rather than coercion to try to put you on the right track. That's true of most of the various religious groups in America --- they disagree with you, but they're tolerant --- with the exception of the more overheated factions of Islam.
Thank you for sharing your testimony and conversion. I wish you all the best and that God continue to be your guiding light and Christ your salvation.
We will take similar journeys and hopefully meet each other in the here after.
Correct; the Catholic Church only recognizes baptism done "in th Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost)." That would include almost all Christian churches, groups, denominations, but not the Mormons.
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