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To: NYer
I'm curious...the commentator from your Catholic Bible says that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, Thus, the Eucharist is a sacrifice to God. Does that mean that the ONE sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross was not good enough and you have to make your sacrifice every week in order to be forgiven of your sins? And how does your 'sacrifice' pay a sin debt when you have to do it every week?

The Lord's Supper is a symbol of His broken body and His spilled blood. Jesus' body doesn't have to be broken and His blood spilled every week in order for my sins to be forgiven.

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this...but you folks have too much "stuff" to do in order to be accepted.

Jesus has already accepted me...just as I am. (Romans 5:8)

I'll stick to Scripture when Jesus said on the cross, "...it is finished...".(John 19:30a)

9 posted on 11/04/2007 11:37:01 AM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink
I'm curious...the commentator from your Catholic Bible says that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, Thus, the Eucharist is a sacrifice to God. Does that mean that the ONE sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross was not good enough and you have to make your sacrifice every week in order to be forgiven of your sins? And how does your 'sacrifice' pay a sin debt when you have to do it every week?

You do not understand. The Eucharist is the ONE sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross made present to us each day in the Mass. Kneeling before our Lord in the Eucharist I am kneeling before the cross on Calvary.

10 posted on 11/04/2007 1:01:24 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: WileyPink
I'm curious...the commentator from your Catholic Bible says that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, Thus, the Eucharist is a sacrifice to God. Does that mean that the ONE sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross was not good enough and you have to make your sacrifice every week in order to be forgiven of your sins?

It is not another Sacrifice, but the same Sacrifice that He enacted 2000 years ago. It is not a "re-enactment" much as great battles are re-enacted for theatrical effect. It is an "enactment", the "same" enactment, re-presented to us (not represented to us, but "re-presented" to us ... enacted again while not being a second or another sacrifice. It is the same Sacrifice, with one exception: it is unbloody ... just as it was unbloody when He gathered His Apostles around Him at the very first Mass on the night He was betrayed and before He was crucified.

We are following our Lord's command in Jn 6:53 "Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

The Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes this well.

1396. "The unity of the Mystical Body: the Eucharist makes the Church.  Those who receive the Eucharist are united more closely to Christ.  Through it Christ unites them to all the faithful in one body - the Church.  Communion renews, strengthens, and deepens this incorporation into the Church, already achieved by Baptism. In Baptism we have been called to form but one body. [Cf. 1 Cor 12:13 .] The Eucharist fulfills this call: 'The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread:' [1 Cor 10:16-17.]  If you are the body and members of Christ, then it is your sacrament that is placed on the table of the Lord; it is your sacrament that you receive. To that which you are you respond 'Amen' ('yes, it is true!') and by responding to it you assent to it. For you hear the words, 'the Body of Christ' and respond 'Amen.'  Be then a member of the Body of Christ that your Amen may be true. [St. Augustine, Sermon 272: PL 38, 1247.]"

And how does your 'sacrifice' pay a sin debt when you have to do it every week?

Small sins.

The Lord's Supper is a symbol of His broken body and His spilled blood. Jesus' body doesn't have to be broken and His blood spilled every week in order for my sins to be forgiven.

In Luke 22:19 and 1 Cor. 11:24-25, the translation of Jesus' words of consecration is "touto poieite tan eman anamnasin." Jesus literally said "offer this as my memorial sacrifice." The word “poiein” (do) refers to offering a sacrifice (see, e.g., Exodus 29:38-39, where God uses the same word – poieseis – regarding the sacrifice of the lambs on the altar). The word “anamnesis” (remembrance) also refers to a sacrifice which is really or actually made present in time by the power of God, as it reminds God of the actual event (see, e.g., Heb. 10:3; Num. 10:10). It is not just a memorial of a past event, but a past event made present in time.

In other words, the “sacrifice” is the “memorial” or “reminder.” If the Eucharist weren’t a sacrifice, Luke would have used the word “mnemosunon” (which is the word used to describe a nonsacrificial memorial. See, for example, Matt. 26:13; Mark 14:9; and especially Acts 10:4). So there are two memorials, one sacrificial (which Jesus instituted), and one non-sacrificial.

Lev. 24:7 uses the word "memorial" in Hebrew in the sacrificial sense - "azkarah" which means to actually make present (see Lev. 2:2,9,16;5:12;6:5; Num.5:26 where “azkarah” refers to sacrifices that are currently offered and thus present in time). Jesus' instruction to offer the bread and wine (which He changed into His body and blood) as a "memorial offering" demonstrates that the offering of His body and blood is made present in time over and over again.

Also with Num. 10:10, in this verse, "remembrance" refers to a sacrifice, not just a symbolic memorial. So Jesus' command to offer the memorial “in remembrance” of Him demonstrates that the memorial offering is indeed a sacrifice currently offered. It is a re-presentation of the actual sacrifice made present in time. It is as if the curtain of history is drawn and Calvary is made present to us.

In Mal. 1:10-11, Jesus' command to his apostles to offer His memorial sacrifice of bread and wine which becomes His body and blood fulfills the prophecy that God would reject the Jewish sacrifices and receive a pure sacrifice offered in every place. This pure sacrifice of Christ is sacramentally re-presented from the rising of the sun to its setting in every place, as Malachi prophesied.

11 posted on 11/04/2007 1:18:36 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: WileyPink
The Lord's Supper is a symbol of His broken body and His spilled blood

I'll stick to Scripture when Jesus said "Take, eat; this is My body." (Matthew 26:26)

14 posted on 11/05/2007 9:52:00 AM PST by Titanites
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To: WileyPink
I don't mean any disrespect when I say this...but you folks have too much "stuff" to do in order to be accepted.

It isn't "too much" when we are doing what He told us to do in Luke 22:19. He literally said "do this". It is interesting to hear what other Christians think is too much to do.

16 posted on 11/05/2007 10:32:33 AM PST by Titanites
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To: WileyPink

Amen. Christ’s sacrifice took place only once-—at Calvary. Christ can never, and will never, be sacrificed again. He cried out, “It is finished,” when He was crucified. That means that He accomplished everything necessary for our salvation. There is no more need for sacrifices, bloody or otherwise. To offer sacrifices of any kind today would insult Christ and what He did at Calvary. Communion is not a sacrifice; it is a memorial of Christ’s sacrifice. The bread and the wine are symbols of Christ’s body and blood.


41 posted on 11/06/2007 11:25:12 PM PST by kevinw
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