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To: fortheDeclaration; Uncle Chip; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus
You wanna help Chipper find his emperor’s clothes, that’s fine by me.

He teaches that He is casting out devils by the power of God and not of Beelzebub, as some were claiming He was doing (Mk.3:22-30)

What do you think it means?

OK, and what else?

Let’s look again at the section to get the context and answer all the questions (At the risk of awakening Rapmaster Q with my color scheme):

"Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

What is Jesus teaching in each of the color coded phrases? How is Jesus able to cast out demons? What do the disciples know when they see demons being cast out? Who does the "strong man" represent? What do the goods represent? Compare with Luke 11:20-22.

926 posted on 11/13/2007 2:01:35 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54; Lord_Calvinus; fortheDeclaration
Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.

So just when was the strong man bound??? in 30 AD??? But John's Revelation was not written until 96 AD and the binding of Satan was still yet future at that time. So was there no plundering going on between 30 and 96 AD????

Can you exegeters help us here??? Your exegeting has us so confused. Can you just tell us straight out when Satan was bound?

932 posted on 11/13/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip
You wanna help Chipper find his emperor’s clothes, that’s fine by me.

I am trying to figure out what problem you have with that verse.

[ He teaches that He is casting out devils by the power of God and not of Beelzebub, as some were claiming He was doing (Mk.3:22-30) What do you think it means? ]

OK, and what else? Let’s look again at the section to get the context and answer all the questions (At the risk of awakening Rapmaster Q with my color scheme): "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. What is Jesus teaching in each of the color coded phrases? How is Jesus able to cast out demons? What do the disciples know when they see demons being cast out? Who does the "strong man" represent? What do the goods represent? Compare with Luke 11:20-22.

Nothing that has to do with Amillennial or Postmillennial theology that is for sure!

Jesus is able to cast out demons by the power of the Holy Ghost, the disciples know that the Kingdom of God was present with them.

The strong man is Satan who is overcome by one stronger them him (Christ) and loses his armour and his spoils.

Now, that doesn't mean that Satan is bound since he is the God of this world and roams about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour (2Cor.4, 1Pe.5:8)

Satan is bound in the future, at the 2nd coming of Christ, (Rev.19).

Christ did defeat Satan and took his captives (saved OT saints) from hell (Abraham's bosom).

However, Satan is still allowed to rule this world and still has access to heaven itself and that doesn't change until Rev.12.

Then Satan returns to the earth where he indwells the anti-Christ and sits in the Temple in Jerusalem (Rev.13, 2Thess.2) and when Christ returns Satan is bound for a 1,000 years, placed into the abyess and after a thousand years released to start another rebellion on earth which is put down by God the Father (Rev.20).

You can find all of this in the Scofield notes.

934 posted on 11/13/2007 2:35:38 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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