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To: Uncle Chip; tabsternager
Baloney == you preterists have invented a third coming by calling Matthew 24:30 an ethereal "not in the flesh" coming that you claim took place in 70 AD. Preterism is nothing more than the neo-Gnosticism of a bunch of scoffers that Peter warned about.

So you are denying the reality of all those places in the OT where God said He would come against Israel and He didn’t show up in person but used nations to do His bidding. E.g.,

And I will come near you for judgment;
I will be a swift witness
Against sorcerers,
Against adulterers,
Against perjurers,
Against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans,
And against those who turn away an alien—
Because they do not fear Me,”
Says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:5)

"Neo-Gnosticism"? Smokescreen! Your emperor has no clothes.

742 posted on 11/12/2007 6:12:48 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54
So you are denying the reality of all those places in the OT where God said He would come against Israel and He didn’t show up in person but used nations to do His bidding. E.g. ... (Malachi 3:5)

Oh so now we have a preterist fourth "coming"??? Is that right??? or would that Malachi 3:5 be a first coming??? and that 70 AD the second coming??? Should we count those "not in the flesh" comings as comings along with the "in the flesh" comings or a separate category???

You know very well that the word "coming" in the New Testament means "a physical in person coming" except in the world of neo-Gnostic preterists. Keep using that preterist shovel -- your pit just keeps getting deeper.

745 posted on 11/12/2007 6:32:33 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; tabsternager

“So you are denying the reality of all those places in the OT where God said He would come against Israel and He didn’t show up in person but used nations to do His bidding.”

So where in the Old Testament does God say “and you shall see Me coming...”. What they experienced are the effects of God’s actions but He does not say they will see Him like the promise or threat in Matthew 23, 24 and 26. In fact Matthew 23:39 says they will not see him until he comes in His glory so that 70 A.D. could not be an appearance.

It also could not be his coming in judgment since no one recognized the event as the judgment of God, so no one saw him. What good does the punishment do if the wrong doer does not recognize it as such? All that it did do for Israel was confirm in them their victim status as the suffering servant of Isaiah 53.


757 posted on 11/12/2007 7:43:38 AM PST by blue-duncan
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