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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; Iscool; fortheDeclaration; DarthVader; Alamo-Girl; airborne; ...
Amils generally believe that the "thousand years" spans the time from Christ's first coming to His second coming. Many postmils believe that as well, however postmils generally see progress in the positive effect of the gospel over time. That’s why some postmils believe that the "thousand years" begins sometime during the inter-advent age.

WOW. Boggles my mind. That one assertion . . .

either one . . . .

soooooooooooooooo

out of step with Scripture AND History

AND Current trends

MORE THAN SUFFICIENT to leave me wanting to wash with lye soap after getting near Replacementarian theology.

Rubber Bible is inadequate to describe such horrific UNBIBLICAL positions.

Have been prayerfully pondering what root lie(s) from hell are really at the foundation of the REPLACEMENTARIAN DECEPTION.

Would appreciate the END TIMES PING LIST'S INPUT ON THIS . . . especially Darth Vader et al . . .

Reading the above has been accompanied with insights dropped into my spirit along the following lines:

1. There's a subtle but effective slight of hand akin to satan's deception of Eve . . . YOU CAN BE AS GOD!

ESSENTIALLY, MAN is bettering the world and God is not very evident in any dramatic overt ways.

Does NOT sound like the GOD OF THE BIBLE; THE GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES I KNOW.

NOR does it sound like the VERY DRAMATIC CLOSING OF HISTORY AS WE'VE KNOWN IT AS OUTLINED IN THE BIBLE. But it sure shunts God aside and gives man hope in a Christianized version of that old secular humanism bit about BETTER LIVING THROUGH OUR OWN BOOTSTRAPS. What an endless set of horrors that has led to!

The globalist puppet masters are carrying that forward with tyrannical plans worse than any in history. God will have them all in derision. The world will be cleansed . . . by fire, this time. GOD'S FIRE. GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES.

I think it's enormously telling that the denominations that espouse such REPLACEMENTARIAN OUTRAGEOUSNESS

ARE THE VERY DENOMINATIONS WHICH PRIDE THEMSELVES IN HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENY THE POWER THEREOF--though they'd certainly not put it that way--wrapping it instead in all manner of rationalizations from hell.

2. Satan set out to destroy whomever God favored from Cain and Abel on. He particularly upped the ante when God CHOSE TO BLESS ABRHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB's offspring. This twisting of Scripture provides excuse for treating Jacob's children as yet more "useless eaters" of no more consequence than any other "useless eaters" on the globe. Actually, a LOT more troublesome so we need to treat them particularly horridly is the globalist scheme. QUITE IN KEEPING with satan's schemes throughout history. Of course, the Contrarian Preterist position is utterly blind to these facts.

DEADLY Lies from hell can be that way when wrapped in theological hogwash.

ARE THERE OTHER ROOT LIES FROM HELL functioning as foundation for the REPLACEMENTARIAN DECEPTION?

592 posted on 11/10/2007 3:08:51 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; All; Alamo-Girl; DarthVader; Iscool
Further ponderings on reading the above . . .

1. In Communist China . . . as well as in all the globalist documents I've ever read . . . accommodation is outlined with such churches--at least for a time--usually a very long time as witnessed in China. These churches and their REPLACEMENTARIAN, neutered-overtly-DRAMATIC-GOD theology fits Communist/globalist/socialst plans quite handily--particularly in terms of . . . drum roll . . .

!!!!CONTROL!!!!

MAN is again at the center of control--actually satan is--but man works as a great puppet for satan given that illusion of control.

But if a group or individual talk of God speaking to them directly via Holy Spirit or THE END TIMES or the SECOND COMING--then that's forbidden. That threatens CONTROL and the lies from hell about the wonderful GLOBAL VILLAGE being created . . . by MAN, of course.

2. Holy Spirit over the last decades and even now often warns groups in China and other places when the officials are going to stage a raid and so a meeting is not held or is held elsewhere--sometimes arranged totally and only by Holy Spirit speaking in His still small voice to the individuals HE wants there. That freaks the CONTROL FREAQUES out. AND DEMONSTRATES GOD'S SUPERNATURAL SUKPREME POWER THAT THEY CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT--MUCH AS END TIMES LITERAL PROPHECIES WITH GOD IN CONTROL freak out the Replacementarian perspective, evidently.

3. The globalists, humanists, secularists, Replacementarians all seem genetically allergic and horrified by

ANY

HINT

That there REALLY IS A DRAMATIC POWERFUL ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES as THE UNrubber Bible calls Him . . . WHO MOVES IN POWER AND MIGHT IN BEHALF OF THOSE WHO LOVE AND OBEY HIM.

Pharoah didn't handle it very well in spite of his God hardened heart.

Old Nebbie ended up eating grass like an animal and finally learned a shred of respect for ALMIGHTY GOD.

The current crop of globalists are a long way from respecting God Almighty even expecting HIM to LOSE at Armageddon! What idiocy.

But the Replacementarians scoff at the literal fulfillment of END TIMES prophecies QUITE IN CHORUS WITH

--THE SECULAR HUMANISTS, ATHEISTS
--SATANISTS
--GLOBALISTS
--HINDUS
--etc.

Just can't happen in their mangled construction on reality.

Stay tuned.

EVERY LAST WORD AND TINY PUNCTUATION POINT WILL BE FULFILLED TO THE LETTER. Some will be vividly literal only. Some vividly literal and symbolic. Some probably in mixtures we can't articulate.

GOD WILL BE MAGNIFIED. GOD'S POWER AND MAJESTY WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THIS GLOBE IN OUR ERA AS NEVER BEFORE IN RECORDED HISTORY AS WE KNOW IT.

THEN

the Replacementarians will have nothing to rebut with.

600 posted on 11/10/2007 5:00:41 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

The answers to what you seek are here:

Matthew 24

The Destruction of the Temple Foretold24As Jesus came out of the temple and was going away, his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2Then he asked them, ‘You see all these, do you not? Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left here upon another; all will be thrown down.’

Signs of the End of the Age3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?’ 4Jesus answered them, ‘Beware that no one leads you astray. 5For many will come in my name, saying, “I am the Messiah!”* and they will lead many astray. 6And you will hear of wars and rumours of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines* and earthquakes in various places: 8all this is but the beginning of the birth pangs.

Persecutions Foretold9 ‘Then they will hand you over to be tortured and will put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of my name. 10Then many will fall away,* and they will betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. 13But anyone who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this good news* of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.

The Desolating Sacrilege15 ‘So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 17someone on the housetop must not go down to take what is in the house; 18someone in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 19Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23Then if anyone says to you, “Look! Here is the Messiah!”* or “There he is!”—do not believe it. 24For false messiahs* and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25Take note, I have told you beforehand. 26So, if they say to you, “Look! He is in the wilderness”, do not go out. If they say, “Look! He is in the inner rooms”, do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

The Coming of the Son of Man29 ‘Immediately after the suffering of those days
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from heaven,
and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see “the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven” with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree32 ‘From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he* is near, at the very gates. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
The Necessity for Watchfulness36 ‘But about that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son,* but only the Father. 37For as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, 39and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away, so too will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40Then two will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41Two women will be grinding meal together; one will be taken and one will be left. 42Keep awake therefore, for you do not know on what day* your Lord is coming. 43But understand this: if the owner of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. 44Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour.

The Faithful or the Unfaithful Slave45 ‘Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves* their allowance of food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. 47Truly I tell you, he will put that one in charge of all his possessions. 48But if that wicked slave says to himself, “My master is delayed”, 49and he begins to beat his fellow-slaves, and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know. 51He will cut him in pieces* and put him with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


615 posted on 11/10/2007 10:48:43 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: Quix

Well, I’m a Dominion kind of guy, and you know my heart. Without being contentious, let me say a couple of things.

Personally, I see victory in the progress of the church- notably from the Reformation (on Oct. 31, calculating from the date of the 95 theses, we just completed a 490 year cycle, btw- 70x7 years...) on into the new season we’re in. As we continue to slough off the trappings of tradition and religion, and get more in tune with the ruling anointing of every believer being a priest/prophet/king, we see greater influence and leverage in society. Not necessarily as the institutional church, but rather as individuals walking in power among the halls of law, education, board rooms, extending even to back alleys and every place in between. (The key here is walking in the power of the Spirit.)

Even in China, as you personally know very well, the underground church exercises great authority- enough to drive the commies to fear them, thus the persecution.

The escapist, denial theology of the Madeline Murray O’Hare era is thankfully being rejected, as we embrace the revelation and responsibility of sonship and being a joint/heir. It’s a progressive revelation to be sure, but the strength of the former rain shall even be overshadowed by what is coming to us now.

Does it mean that every President throughout history will be a holy roller? No, but neither was Pharaoh during Joseph’s time. Yet YHWH had His way.

Now, I understand that it’s not all dancing through the daffodils, there will be lives, blood and treasure lost, but the Kingdom of God will advance into and overtake the kingdoms of this world. Christ in us, I believe, will accomplish this- as opposed to Christ personally after He physically comes back. I have to think like this, because anything less would be abdicating my commission from Him.

Anyway, I love you greatly. You seem to be one of the ones who actually does the Word (the rhema) as much as you proclaim it, which makes you a Kingdom builder anyway! :)


619 posted on 11/11/2007 3:37:39 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Quix
out of step with Scripture AND History AND Current trends

Amen.

To view the present world through an Amillennialist or PostMillennialist's eyes is incomprehensible.

738 posted on 11/12/2007 4:37:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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