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It says clearly: "they shall see the Son of man coming". If that is not a physical coming, then just what kind of coming is it???

Well, comparing Scripture with Scripture and seeing what the Bible mean when it speaks of "coming in (or with) clouds", it is a coming consistent with what Jesus said to the high priest in Matt. 26:64, "Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.’"

If we apply a Jewish mindset, and not a futurist/dispensationalist one, and read, for example, Daniel 7, we will see what Jesus was referring to:

13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

This is speaking of Jesus ascension to the Father when He received the throne of the promised kingdom (i.e., the throne of David in heaven). The visible evidence of this event on the earth was the ending of the old covenant system as represented by the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the old temple.

Ver. 30 And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven, &c.] the son of man himself: just as circumcision is called the sign of circumcision, #Ro 4:11 and Christ is sometimes called a sign, #Lu 2:34 as is his resurrection from the dead, #Mt 12:39 and here the glory and majesty in which he shall come: and it may be observed, that the other evangelists make no mention of the sign, only speak of the son of man, #Mr 13:26, Lu 21:27 and he shall appear, not in person, but in the power of his wrath and vengeance, on the Jewish nation which will be a full sign and proof of his being come: for the sense is, that when the above calamities shall be upon the civil state of that people, and there will be such changes in their ecclesiastical state it will be as clear a point, that Christ is come in the flesh, and that he is also come in his vengeance on that nation, for their rejection and crucifixion him, as if they had seen him appear in person in the heavens. They had been always seeking a sign, and were continually asking one of him; and now they will have a sign with a witness; as they had accordingly. (John Gill, 1809)

Lu 21:27 and he shall appear, not in person, but in the power of his wrath and vengeance, on the Jewish nation which will be a full sign and proof of his being come: for the sense is, that when the above calamities shall be upon the civil state of that people, and there will be such changes in their ecclesiastical state it will be as clear a point, that Christ is come in the flesh, and that he is also come in his vengeance on that nation, for their rejection and crucifixion him, as if they had seen him appear in person in the heavens.

Trouble is, that's not what the verse says...

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Trouble is, you don't believe what God said...So now you hafta find something which you think might fit...But you can't find it...

So along comes someone and invents a story line, which doesn't line up with anything biblically...And you tell us that you proved something by comparing scripture with scripture...

Trouble with that is, we read the Bible as well...You're not going to bluff us...

And when someone pins you down, you try to be slipperyier than a greased pig on ball bearings...

When Luke 21:27 does actually happen, and it will, EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, PHYSICALLY...EVEN YOU...

WOW . . . shocking yet again.

Yet again Scripture has to endure being put through the

REPLACEMENTARIAN MANGLING TRANSMORGIFIER

to fit their RUBBER BIBLES

It still boggles my mind that anyone could believe such convoluted egg salad constructions on even fantasies, much less realities.

And folks who consider themselves Born Again? Christians???

THEY believe such goo from hell?

Truly shocking. Stunned yet again. Literally.

Folks really have no idea what is just around the corner.

Let’s see snippets of history from the RUBBER HISTORY BOOK

ANGELS WE HAVE HEARD ON HIGH

. . . well not really . . . those were the bluebirds of happiness whispering sweet ideas in Mary and Elizabeth’s heads during special . . . uh . . . meditations . . . errrr . . . dreams. That’s it.

Shepherds watching their flocks in fields at night ANGELS ANGELS ANGELS A CHORUS OF ANGELS

GLAD TIDINGS OF GREAT JOY.

. . . . not really . . .

Those were the burpings of sheep in a particularly coincidentally harmonious symphony fostered by the prosaic arrangement of pretty flowers they’d eaten earlier.

THREE WISE MEN FROM THE EAST bearing GOLD, FRANKENSENSE AND MYR
. . . . not really . . .

3 semi retired herders with nothing more significant than some stream polished rocks to lay beside an odd babe in a dirty manger.

MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION
. . . . not really . . .

Peter was briefly blinded and disoriented by bird drool from the sky while out strolling with The Rabbi . . . in a flash of crazed impetuousness he concocted quite a story for back at the campfire.

THE ASCENSION
. . . . not really . . .

Star Trek Enterprise gave Jesus a lift back to The Father since the Heavenly Elevator was broken and threw in some cloud effects because Captain Kirk knew God had a THING for clouds.

These examples from the REPLACEMENTARIAN RUBBER BIBLE are offered in an effort to help you understand that when the DRAMAS of the end times begin to unfold, the REPLACEMENTARIANS may be falling like flies and in deadly shock in higher percentages because their minds have been so shaped to expect the opposite. They won’t have much time to adjust.

God schedules drama well beyond fantasized capacities of a Hollyweed of the year 3001 so Replacementarians think interpretations from the Cro-Magnons. Go figure.

“The visible evidence of this event on the earth was the ending of the old covenant system as represented by the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the old temple”

So, according to this interpretation the old covenant and the new covenant overlapped for approximately 40 years. The high priest at the time Jesus told him he would see “the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven” and the nation of Israel recognized that the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple was caused by Jesus “coming in the clouds” and venting his wrath on the nation for their rejection and they further recognized that the old covenant was now void and the new covenant promised in Ezekiel was in effect.

Do you have any evidence that any of the priesthood, let alone the high priest, recognized that the destruction of the temple was the judgment on Israel for the rejection of Jesus or that it was caused by “the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven”? All of the evidence is that Israel picked up the pieces in the dispersion and continued their worship, substituting ethical sacrifices for blood sacrifices. If this 70 A.D. “coming on the clouds of heaven” was supposed to be the sign to Israel of judgment, it seems to have missed the mark. It would seem that if it was supposed to be the wrath of God visited on Israel someone would have got the message that the game was up and God was really mad but it seems to have missed them, so why tell them it is coming if they were not going to learn the lesson?