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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Quix; P-Marlowe; xzins; fortheDeclaration; tabsternager; ...

“A) Transformed lives don’t accomplish jack squat when working in groups, meaning groups can’t be transformed”

Transformed lives don’t accomplish jack squat without a warrant from God; election. It is the “many-few” principle.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

1 Tim. 4:1, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”

2 Pet. 2:1-2, “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”

Jhn 15:18, “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.”

1Jo 3:13, “Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.”


510 posted on 11/09/2007 11:17:17 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; Alex Murphy
Everything you posted is true. Election is the cornerstone of all reality. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ according to God's predestining election alone, and not by men's good choice to believe.

Belief is a result of election; not a requirement for it.

And how did God ordain that men would believe?

By the preaching of the Gospel.

And what occurs when men are transformed by the word of God?

All good things.

So since we agree on the method, we're just arguing numbers. Christianity is not a men's club. It is the operating principal of all existence, and as the Gospel is preached, more and more men will know that, by the grace of God, and be converted to Christ.

How do we know this?

At the time of Christ there were dozens of Christians. Today there are over one billion Christians.

Doesn't that look like a God-breathed exponential trend to you?

520 posted on 11/09/2007 11:58:53 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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