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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg

***There were no Christians in the Old Testament and there will no Christians after the Rapture, since only Christians make up the bride of Christ (Eph.5:30)***

Poor dead Jews!!! They get some dirt and we get the Messiah. I wonder how well this “gospel” works for converting the Jews to the Lord.


204 posted on 11/06/2007 8:15:12 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus; fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg

***There were no Christians in the Old Testament and there will no Christians after the Rapture, since only Christians make up the bride of Christ (Eph.5:30)***

Poor dead Jews!!! They get some dirt and we get the Messiah. I wonder how well this “gospel” works for converting the Jews to the Lord.

204 posted on 11/06/2007 9:15:12 AM MST by Lord_Calvinus

YHvH's larger plan of salvation, where His People are blinded for a time,
in order to bring His salvation to the gentile nations.
NAsbU Romans 11:15 For if their ( His Chosen People ) rejection is the reconciliation of the world,
what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

And their ultimate salvation after a period of blindness is guaranteed by YHvH's covenant :
NAsbU Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren,
to be uninformed of this mystery--
so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--
that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until
the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake,
but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.


shalom b'shem Yah'shua
205 posted on 11/06/2007 9:54:24 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Lord_Calvinus
Poor dead Jews!!! They get some dirt and we get the Messiah. I wonder how well this “gospel” works for converting the Jews to the Lord.

A unsaved Jew today is like an unsaved Gentile, they both die as such.

A saved Jew today is like a saved Gentile, they both die in Christ, as Christians.

Now, The Lord told the Jews that they needed to be 'born again' and could not count on their being 'sons of Abraham' for their salvation.

The only difference is that today, a saved Jew (such as were the Apostles) are no longer considered Jews by God, but are considered part of the body of Christ and are Christians, new creatures in Christ.

After the end of the Church age, it will go back to the way it was before the church age began, there will be saved and unsaved Jews and saved and unsaved Gentiles.

218 posted on 11/06/2007 12:15:36 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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