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To: fortheDeclaration; Iscool

“How you can not see that Christ fulfills the unconditional prophecies He made to the Jews in Revelation is quite amazing and proof that you haven’t read what it clearly says in Rev.19-20.”

I have read it. I suggest that you try reading it using a concordance and not Scofield’s notes to guide you.

In Galatians 4:21-31we are shown two women (Sarah and Hagar) who represent two cities (physical Jerusalem and heavenly Jerusalem). They are symbols representing believers in Christ and nonbelievers.

In Rev. physical Jerusalem (the great city, Rev. 11:8) and the physical temple were destroyed.

Christ, the true Temple, is the victor (Rev. 19). And the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21) is where the believers in Christ will live forever.

It’s actually very clear if you allow the Bible to interpret itself.

BTW, Zechariah 12 has the word “land” and we know that “tribes” (the word used in Matthew) refers to Israel. I don’t know why you keep missing that.


1,801 posted on 11/27/2007 7:30:00 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager; Uncle Chip; Quix
[ “How you can not see that Christ fulfills the unconditional prophecies He made to the Jews in Revelation is quite amazing and proof that you haven’t read what it clearly says in Rev.19-20.” ]

I have read it. I suggest that you try reading it using a concordance and not Scofield’s notes to guide you.

I have and it says exactly what the verses say they say.

No one repented in AD70 as is depicted in Zach.12:10 and in Rev.1:7.

Moreover, it is stated that when Christ comes back he has his angels gather the elect from the 4 corners of the earth-another event that didn't happen in AD70.

In Galatians 4:21-31we are shown two women (Sarah and Hagar) who represent two cities (physical Jerusalem and heavenly Jerusalem). They are symbols representing believers in Christ and nonbelievers.

No, one represents the Law and one represents grace.

In Rev. physical Jerusalem (the great city, Rev. 11:8) and the physical temple were destroyed.

And that destruction is in the future, it was not the one in 70AD.

Christ, the true Temple, is the victor (Rev. 19). And the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21) is where the believers in Christ will live forever.

Gee, you must have a very abridged bible.

Rev.19 says that 'the armies in heaven followed Christ down'.

Now, it is clear that your bible 'study' consists of finding what matches what your theology teaches, and simply ignoring whatever verse goes against it.

It’s actually very clear if you allow the Bible to interpret itself.

Yes, it is very clear, when you don't leave out words or attempt to change them to make them fit your view.

BTW, Zechariah 12 has the word “land” and we know that “tribes” (the word used in Matthew) refers to Israel. I don’t know why you keep missing that.

Zach.12: 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. John 19:37 Ps 22:16

Now, there were no nations in 70AD surrounding Jerusalem, there was only the Roman armies.

And they were not destroyed by the return of Christ-as will happen.

The Jews did not see Christ,whom they had pierce and mourn for him.

Now, what you have to deal with is what didn't happen, not just find the things that you think match the events in 70AD.

Rev. 1:7 says that 'all kindreds of the earth' shall wail because of him-which didn't happen in 70AD.

1,853 posted on 11/28/2007 3:38:08 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: tabsternager; Uncle Chip; Quix
Also, whenever 'ge' is used in either the book of Matthew or Revelation, it is always translated as 'earth', never as 'land'.

Context determines what word meaning is used in a translation, and clearly, the translators knew that the context demanded 'earth' and not 'land' in those verses and books.

1,854 posted on 11/28/2007 3:52:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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