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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe

***What earthly kingdom are you referring to? That’s a dispensationalist concept.***

Well, I don’t know any Preterists that presume any kingdom was setup in 70AD. The Full Preterists believe that the eternal state began and the last of Biblical prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD.

I mark the beginning of the millennium, the kingdom of God and the reign of Christ, from much earlier.

... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Note, Marlowe that the FIRST Millennium is bracketed by 2 resurrections: “and they lived” and “but the rest... lived not.” The question here is: when did/ will the resurrection happen. And, for that answer, we turn to the gospel of the Lord....

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Note that the Lord himself speaks about 2 resurrections: “The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live” and “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth.”

The hour now IS when the dead shall hear and live.
and they lived and reigned with Christ.

the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth....

The first resurrection began before 70AD, Marlowe....

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power....


1,554 posted on 11/21/2007 8:19:20 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus

What a fitting post in the season of

HO HO HO!

HA HA HA!

LOL! LOL! LOL!

ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL!

GTTM! GTTM! GTTM!

Have to give the Jr High Sunday school class some jokes to begin the session. That should be quite sufficient!


1,563 posted on 11/21/2007 8:46:14 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lord_Calvinus; Marlowe
Note that the Lord himself speaks about 2 resurrections:

“The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:

the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth....

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

I don't know how anyone could miss this...But you did...

You clearly have two groups of dead people here...However, only one group is in the ground...Buried...Graves...What are the other dead people doing???

THEY'RE SPIRITUAL...Look at the last sentence you cited here...She's alive but she's dead...

There are not two physical resurrections here...The first one is referring to people dead 'in Christ', but alive physically...

That alone should change your theology...But it won't...You'll dance around that and go and take some other verse out of context and try to prove something that isn't so...

The 'first' resurrection has three parts to it...The firstfruits, the Harvest, and the gleanings...

The Harvest has not taken place yet...And how do I know??? Because we are not yet in Heaven...

The Harvest is the church...

Note, Marlowe that the FIRST Millennium is bracketed by 2 resurrections: “and they lived” and “but the rest... lived not.”

b>Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Is this you, or anyone you know??? You really believe you are in the (2000 year, so far) Millenium???

1,592 posted on 11/21/2007 11:35:44 AM PST by Iscool
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