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To: P-Marlowe; tabsternager; fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Lord_Calvinus
If Christ set up his earthly kingdom in 70AD as suggested by you preterists,

What earthly kingdom are you referring to? That’s a dispensationalist concept.

1,551 posted on 11/21/2007 7:49:37 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe

***What earthly kingdom are you referring to? That’s a dispensationalist concept.***

Well, I don’t know any Preterists that presume any kingdom was setup in 70AD. The Full Preterists believe that the eternal state began and the last of Biblical prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD.

I mark the beginning of the millennium, the kingdom of God and the reign of Christ, from much earlier.

... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Note, Marlowe that the FIRST Millennium is bracketed by 2 resurrections: “and they lived” and “but the rest... lived not.” The question here is: when did/ will the resurrection happen. And, for that answer, we turn to the gospel of the Lord....

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Note that the Lord himself speaks about 2 resurrections: “The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live” and “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth.”

The hour now IS when the dead shall hear and live.
and they lived and reigned with Christ.

the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth....

The first resurrection began before 70AD, Marlowe....

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power....


1,554 posted on 11/21/2007 8:19:20 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: topcat54
What earthly kingdom are you referring to? That’s a dispensationalist concept.

What did Jesus do in 70 AD?

1,559 posted on 11/21/2007 8:32:24 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe

Why, Marlowe, You ought to know better than that!

Replacementarians build theological kingdoms in the sky—the high sky—the verrrrry high sky.

With visions of sugar plums dancing about . . .

and fluffy cotton candy for which to shout . . .

Just envision the Replacementarian heaven . . .

Fantasies upon top of fantasies

& nary a one touching reality

All just ectoplasms of their rantasies.

In their rubber Bible rearranged heaven,

There’s no 4 and 20 elders!

The Jewish Patriarchs have been errr

Fantasized out—very out—of existence.

In fact, any reference to Israel and

the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

has been whitewashed into oblivion.

Though there are a few hasty cases of

SPIRITUAL being plastered over a few

chisled in stone references to ISRAEL.

Usually with very garish bumper sticker

pieces of stretched rubber sorts of things.

And there’s no fruit trees by the River of LIfe.

There’s no music or dancing about.

There’s only dreary little boxes

on solitary little clouds with

Gabriel going around occasionally

whacking heavenly souls on their

knuckles for not reading Josephus

Studiously enough.

Some heaven! No wonder there are

few Jews there. At some point,

even they know an imposter SHAM!

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But I guess we shouldn’t be too hard on the Replacmentarian perspective.

It must be quite a trick to get the rubberized Bible into a Gordian knot sufficiently complex to provide for a sterile, dead, tiny white boxed little cell filled heaven

AND

Christ currently reigning over the earth with satan bound and sin and crime banished . . .

and still have to put up with CNN CENTER in Atlanta and all that CONTRARY evidence.

I wonder . . . does Contrarian Preterist Replacementarian theology come out of CNN Center?


1,561 posted on 11/21/2007 8:40:56 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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