Bingo. And what I wanted to draw your attention to is in the lower right corner.
"it is emphatically not what I believe. . .But the culmination of that is still IN CHRIST."
Good.
Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
Mixing
especially in convoluted illogical ways
apples, oranges, cacti and whale boogers
will never result in solid theology.
Just my reality.
Uhh..
Oh, nevermind.
good.
Isn't that the nature of the Christian Research Institute that he currently runs. Walter Martin was also very critical of others, using the Bible as the test of orthodoxy.
Tell me please, after all the scripture that points this out to them, they won't believe it?
It's hard to see in a very dark place?
It’s the dispensational pov that says God has another plan for the Jews besides saving faith in Jesus Christ --topcatI don’t know, personally, of any Dispy—certainly who’s theology I’d respect on such points—but really I don’t know anyone who believes that. --Quixie
Right here, Bubba. Plan 'o salvation for the Milennium, per this guy, is "works no faith".
I've brought this up before on FR, and no dispie has repudiated it.
Not to be all gloom and doom, but we have moved into a post modernist age. In the modernist period there was a belief in absolute truth. The focus may have been on scientific means of finding the truth, but at least you could argue with someone who would agree that there are absolutes.
In the post modernist age we don't have any absolutes other than feelings. You must not criticize others behavior or beliefs because it might hurt their feelings. I think this clearly a downward trend. The correction might be the muslim threat, once people realize what the enemy is.
Please reread the entire chapter 15 quoted in my post. There are 7,000 years (7 days) appointed to Adamic man. The last 1,000 years (7th day) is the Sabbath.
After the 7th day or 7000 years is the 8th day – the new heaven and new earth - a time of not counting.
The belief appears again in chapter 33 of 2 Enoch (not to be confused with 1 Enoch) - which has been dated between the 1st century B.C. to the 10th century A.D. but most often, late 1st century A.D.
I do not.
Several tries couldn’t get link to open.
in any case . . .
it is emphatically not what I believe.
I believe God has Jacob’s children on a ‘make-em-jealous’ track as He says in His Word.
But the culmination of that is still IN CHRIST.
AS SCRIPTURE ALSO OUTLINES QUITE CLEARLY ENOUGH.
. . . FOR THOSE with eyes to see.
Thanks very much, I do! :)
Bingo. And what I wanted to draw your attention to is in the lower right corner.
"it is emphatically not what I believe. . .But the culmination of that is still IN CHRIST."
Good.
Let’s review a bit more of the text:
Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man,There is nothing in here which speaks of the "thousand years" of Rev. 20 as being the "Sabbath rest", the seventh thousands of years . In fact he explicitly denies this by the phrase "the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years". He is speaking of the second coming as the end of all things, and then begin the Sabbath rest, which is the new heavens and new earth.
The Lord is not resting during the futurist millennium. He fact, as I said, He is quite busy putting down authorities and offering animal sacrifices per Ezekiel 40-48.
If you wish to dismiss all of this as evidence of what many early Christians believed, that is your choice.
I’m afraid you have not offered any evidence, just your "musings" on what these folks may have been saying. The rest of the early church fathers do not seem to support your limited interpretations.
Amen. What do your "musings" tell you about this passage in the light of Hebrews 4?
If you are referring to the same book, 2 Enoch is not of Christian origin. It is certainly not written from the perspective as Jesus as the Messiah and fulfillment of the Old Testament prophets. It's usefulness to Christian scholarship is highly questionable.
His second coming will be physical as we have been saying, and no one knows the day or hour. You just have not been listening, preferring instead to paint us as teaching something we clearly do not teach.
I find this rather interesting statement given other things you have written, e.g.,
I’m a third party in this debate because I personally eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men across the board, leaning instead on the revelations of God the Father in (1) Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, (2) the indwelling Holy Spirit, (3) Scriptures and (4) Creation both spiritual and physical. In other words, I am a Christian plain and simple.
What does "across the board" mean if you are using writings like Barnabas and 2 Enoch to support your "musings"? These are not Scripture. They are, in fact, "the doctrines and traditions of men" which you eschew.
Can you tell us how you really decide what is true?
What specific thing in the lower right?
Religious leaders 2,000
years
ago wanted things in tidy little boxes;
black white EITHER/OR
all/nothing
categories etc.
too.
Christ sliced all across such compulsions.
Would have none of it.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.