Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
You think there are 1billion Christians?
Where is the fruit?
There may be 1billion when you count Roman Catholics and others who profess to be Christian.
Until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in...(Rom.11:25)
There we go!!!
Your understanding.
Even your own NIV translates that word as earth yet you will reject any translation to cling to your false theology.
No translation translated the word as 'land' and every translation, NIV included, has either tribes of the earth(NASB,KJV,NKJ) peoples(NCV) or nations(NIV) not Israel.
So, as Quix has noted, you don't have a bible, you have a book of suggestions.
Rev.1:7 it states that every eye shall see him and all kindreds of the earth,(KJV), all the tribes of the earth (NASB), all the peoples of the earth (NIV), all the peoples of the earth(NCV), people of all nations (The Message), and all of the nations of the earth (NLT).
What you need to do is make a preterist translation and just change those verses, just like the JW's did to defend their own non-biblical theology.
Christ was not speaking to that generation, he was speaking about the generation mentioned in Zech.12:10, you know the one that weeps when it sees him, as does the rest of the 'kindreds of the earth'-which didn't happen in 70AD.
So, there is not 'cherry picking' going on, there is simply ignoring what the scripture clearly says by the preterists.
Zech. 13:9-
God seeks to destroy all of the nations that come to destroy Jerusalem, not just Rome.
See Rev.16:14-16 for details.
I wonder what Satan's reign would have been like?
DETROIT (AP) - Detroit police investigating injuries to a one-year-old boy say they found the skeletal remains of another baby who is the brother of the living child. The boys' parents, 24-year-old Nickella Reid and 27-year-old Joseph Miller, were arraigned Saturday on first- and second-degree child abuse charges for injuries to the child in fair condition at a hospital. Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Assistant Prosecutor Maria Miller tells The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press the allegation is the child was severely abused. He suffered burns over one-third of his body. Police say Reid told investigators that Deante Miller died two years ago. Authorities say the couple burned him in a barbecue grill and hid what was left of the baby in the ceiling of a home.
More proof that we are in the Millennial reign of Christ-
HOUSTON (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court today declined to review rulings that said a monument outside a Houston courthouse — featuring the Bible — should be removed.
The judge sided with Kay Staley, who sued in 2003 claiming a monument — featuring the King James version of the Bible — was offensive.
What you need to do is make a preterist translation and just change those verses, just like the JW’s did to defend their own non-biblical theology.
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And sadly, risk similar judgment.
imho.
INDEED.
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Why is the Bible not enough proof for you that we are in the kingdom of God? My Bible teaches that the Lord rules in the midst of his enemies.
My Bible says that He rules the nations with a rod of iron and warns the kings of the earth to serve Him with fear and rejoice with trembling-(Ps.2)
Clearly, that hasn't happened-yet.
My Bible says that the one ruling today is Satan, not Christ (2Cor.4:4) and when Satan is defeated then the Millennium begins (Rev.20)
The Replacementarian mastry of the non sequitur
STRIKES AGAIN.
Has nothing to do with the points of the prophetic Scriptures we present.
Nothing against this era being the era of THE END TIMES,
AT ALL.
Massive saucer fleets
WATCHERS/NEPHILIUM/FALLEN ANGELS
NWO PUPPET MASTERS
GLOBALISTSI’m assuming I won’t get a straight answer.
I don't think one would do any good.
Cute out.
You will be giving an answer . . . at some point . . . if only to the fellow in your mirror.
“The children of promise...And who are the children of promise??? They are the Jews...Romans 9:4...”
So then why was Paul so distraught if he believed all Israel will be saved, according to dispensationalists’ interpretation of that phrase?
Romans 9:2-4 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Again, he clarifies why he was so distraught over the people of his own race:
Romans 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children.
Really, as Dr. E said, the Bible is so clear on this.
I said “my understanding” because I don’t personally know Greek. I was being honest.
Look up “ge,” google it, and see what the definition is for yourself. You will see that it means “land, country, or earth.”
Again, I’m afraid you still have not looked at Zechariah either or what Jesus said to Caiaphas.
You cannot interpret Scripture in a way that renders it in conflict with what is so clear in other Scripture. Unfortunately, the dispensational interpretation does just that.
“Christ was not speaking to that generation, he was speaking about the generation mentioned in Zech.12:10, you know the one that weeps when it sees him, as does the rest of the ‘kindreds of the earth’-which didn’t happen in 70AD.”
I understand that in this “it’s all about me generation” it would be hard for many to believe that. But Revelation is a letter written to the persecuted Christians at the time. Though Revelation is for us, it was not written to us.
Most of Revelation is a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple and the end of the Mosaic age. How dispensationalists can manage to interpret that as a victory for national Israel is nonsensical.
First, even though the word can mean land in the Greek, no translation has 'land' they all have earth.
So, you are making your own private interpretation.
Second, all of the verses have either tribes, or nations etc in the plural showing that it is not referring to Israel alone.
Third, Zech.12:10 also refers to all of the nations being present when Christ returns, so it is you that is not reading Zach. and that upon that return Israel repents, which did not happen in 70AD.
As for Caliphas, he asked Christ if He was the Christ, the Son of God, and Christ answered him by saying that they (ye) would, one, see Him sitting on the right hand of power and two, returning in clouds of heaven.
Caliphas and those unbelieving Jewish leaders would see Christ at the right hand of power at the Great White Throne judgment seat (Rev.20). They are in hell right now waiting for that day.
And the Jewish people would see Him return in clouds of heaven, just as He told the Apostles in Acts 1 and occurs in Zach.12:10.
Neither of which has happened yet.
So, it is you who is ignoring what the scriptures actually say, in any translation to make them fit into your own false theological system.
Comparing scripture with scripture means actually seeing what they say-Christ is seen by all the tribes of the earth, and they weep (Rev.1:7) which didn't happen in 70AD, and that the Jews would see Christ whom they pierced and then repent, and mourn also, which again didn't happen in 70AD.
It has to happen-but will.
You are right, most of Revelation is for Israel, not the Church.
Most of Revelation is a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple and the end of the Mosaic age. How dispensationalists can manage to interpret that as a victory for national Israel is nonsensical.
How you can not see that Christ fulfills the unconditional prophecies He made to the Jews in Revelation is quite amazing and proof that you haven't read what it clearly says in Rev.19-20.
Look up “ge,” google it, and see what the definition is for yourself. You will see that it means “land, country, or earth.”
Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich (which is close to hand) lists 1)soil 2) ground, 3)the bottom of the sea, 4)land (in a territorial sense), 5)earth (in contrast to heaven) and 6)earth (the inhabited globe). With scriptural and classical references for each usage.
So, probably not wise to be insisting on a particular meaning.
“Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich (which is close to hand) lists 1)soil 2) ground, 3)the bottom of the sea, 4)land (in a territorial sense), 5)earth (in contrast to heaven) and 6)earth (the inhabited globe). With scriptural and classical references for each usage.”
Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected as far as the exact meaning, not knowing Greek myself.
Prophecy is ALWAYS future...If it's already been done, it's HISTORY...
So please tell this feeble minded child how Prophecy can be HISTORY...Revelation was written well after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
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