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Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)
American Vision ^ | 10/7/2005 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54

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To: xzins

Not only do they stretch their Bibles far further than a new inner-tube would stretch . . .

They stretch credulity light years beyond the breaking point.

That they can believe what they spout and look the person in their mirrors in the eye still boggles my mind.

It’s like creating new Scripture out of whole cloth—and that very badly—not the least bit congruent with the whole counsel of Scripture.


1,621 posted on 11/21/2007 6:31:25 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
It is no wonder that you cannot understand folks when they use normal terms in a normal fashion.

Well, if you would use normal terms in a normal fashion once in a while, then maybe people like me might be able to understand you.

1,622 posted on 11/21/2007 6:37:20 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: tabsternager; xzins; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; P-Marlowe

Ahhhhh yes . . .

The GREAT REPLACEMENTARIAN RUBBER FACTORY STRIKES AGAIN:

1. Rubber Bibles now stretch further than Pluto and back.

2. Rubber dictionaries are stretched beyond the fantasies of Alice In Wonderland.

3. Rubber logic has stretched that linear wisdom so far out of whack as to make it the cogitations equal to words joined together a la egg salad upset.

4. And now, HYPERBOLE has been stretched so far out of comprehension as to equal whatever Replacementarians dreams consist of after a 6 pack. . . . or . . . more usually—whatever the opposite of Dispies assertions would be at the moment.

Such admirable routes to Biblical Truth.

/s


1,623 posted on 11/21/2007 6:38:51 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Uncle Chip

not in the flesh second comings?

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Ahhhhh . . . well, when the whole Contrarian Preterist; Replacementarian; Amil; Postmil

theological house of cards is built virtually exclusively on flesh driven doctrines and fantasies of men and of demons . . .

they must feel some compulsion to try vainly and balance the whole mess out . . . so they dreamed up this insult to the Word of God—all this arrogant sounding pretense about “SPIRITUALIZED THIS’S AND THAT’S. . . . and now SPIRITUALIZED 2ND COMINGS???? What a travesty!

I don’t remember how many times an electric fence shocks a minute . . . but the Replacementarians are way beyond that.


1,624 posted on 11/21/2007 6:42:09 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
Satan is bound from deceiving the nations

Then who in hell is doing all the deceiving we see all around us?

and the saints are reigning with Christ.

Tell that to the saints in Burundi.

1,625 posted on 11/21/2007 6:47:56 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; All; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; P-Marlowe
•He bound Satan from deceiving the nation

= = =

I'm shocked that it is not realized by one and all that

1. This is wholesal UNSCRIPTURAL in terms of the meaning made of it by the Replacementarian/Contrarian Preterists.

2. Even if it were off the wall fantasized as true as the Replacementarians construe it to be . . . then they must be consciously or blindly insulting Christ because who ever is responsible for such binding per their fantasized prescription has OBVIOUSLY BOTCHED THE JOB BIG TIME.

3. Israel as The Nation has certainly been wholesale blind about satan's wiles against them as well as continuing blind about Christ.

4. The Nations of the whole planet have continued increasingly blinded to satan's globalist plans as predicted in many prophetic Scriptures in the UNrubberized Bibles.

5. Such a mangled fantasized convoluted trashing and thrashing of Scripture makes of Christ's disucssions of such out to be the rantings of an ineffectual clueless, blind, stark raving nut.

6. The Nations and their populations are more deceived than ever--as Scripture predicted. Good is called evil and evil good and such is taught under orders of the highest government levels and courts in the land around the world. This is evidence of satan being bound? What utter unmitigated nonsense!

7. The Nations and their populations are more deceived than ever about the desirability of a global government just as Scripture predicted for the era in which Israel became a Nation again in a day.

8. The Nations and their populations are more deceived than ever about the God of the Angel Armies and His capacity to display His all knowing power and might. The globalist puppet masters believe that satan will win and God will lose at Armageddon. Talk about unparalleled DECEPTION OF THE NATIONS! SHEESH!

9. The Nations and their populations are more deceived than ever that the God of Scripture has been explained away by the Fallen Angels/ Nephilium/ Watchers manipulating the globalists behind the scenes and seducing them with all manner of exhotic war making technologies.

10. The Nations and their populations are more deceived than ever that unless the global government takes control of all living things . . . man will destroy the planet . . . therefore the global power brokers and their fallen angel buddies must save us from ourselves instead of seeking Christ as our Savior. Talk about wholesale deception! Just as slick and seducing as prophecies in the UNRUBBER Bible warns us about.

The list could go on and on about how horrendous and massive are the deceptions from hell in the current era.

The whole Replacementarian rubber Bible constructions on current reality constitute one of the most horrendous set of deceptions from hell.

1,626 posted on 11/21/2007 6:57:04 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; DarthVader; Iscool; P-Marlowe

I’m sure your Thanksgiving bird is wonderful. Would love to enjoy some.

###############

However, there is some parallel philosophically . . .

Replacementarian constructions on reality do sort of resemble

a hodge podge of veggies, organ meats and nuts stuffed up the aft end of a bird brain.


1,627 posted on 11/21/2007 7:00:17 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: P-Marlowe

Not only does the Replacementarian perspective make Jesus out to be a liar . . . it makes Him out to be a raving lunatic liar.

Very impressive, that.

/s


1,628 posted on 11/21/2007 7:01:33 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: tabsternager

It should be obvious to anyone who interprets Scripture in light of Scripture that Jesus was using prophetic hyperbole.

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No! That’s only obvious to folks who use the highly secret Replacementarian decoder ring on the Rubber Bible—all bought cheap at a Joseph Smith garage sale.


1,629 posted on 11/21/2007 7:04:24 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

It is amazing what you guys attempt to leave out.

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INDEED.

But we should be compassionate.

When their rubber Bibles get stretched so far and so thin so constantly, great gaping holes appear and all kinds of truth just falls through the holes. It’s a wonder they have any idea which way theological or any other “up” is. Oh, that’s right, they don’t!


1,630 posted on 11/21/2007 7:06:40 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So, in reality while you claim to compare scripture with scriptures, you simply change the words to make them fit your own preconceived theological system simply ignore the differences.

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Essentially correct.

Though I think their rubber dictionaries change the words for them. I think they must buy them in bulk at the Joseph Smith discount house in Salt Lake City.


1,631 posted on 11/21/2007 7:09:05 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: P-Marlowe
Intellectual dishonesty is the hallmark of the preterist position.

I don't think "intellectual dishonesty" is a SUFFICIENT explanation. Some make reasonable earnest EFFORTS to be intellectually honest but just CANNOT make the grade for some reason(s). At some point, a big chunk of those reasons has to be demonic deception and blinding of believer's hearts and minds allowed through some flaw in the believer's focus; attitude; priorities or some such.

These threads quickly become disturbingly reminding of hours of experiences trying to make sense out of folks who's construction on reality was finely honed and practiced dissociative cluelessness and egg salad communications structures. And the harder one worked to make sense--ANY--interpretive sense out of the egg salad verbalizations, the more absolutely irrational they became.

MOST of the time in such cases, demonic forces have been evident . . . that or an extremely clever case of malingering--VIA an extremely askew construction on daily reality.

1,632 posted on 11/21/2007 7:18:01 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
The problem I see with the anti-dispensationalist crowd here on FR is that they don't simply think dispensationalism is wrong, they think that it (along with all those who believe in it) is EVIL.

They tend to refuse to confront the fact that they just may be wrong. For them to be wrong, or to even take it under consideration, is to somehow join the dark side.

I could care less whether or not people are stupid enough to believe in preterism (full or partial). It makes no biblical sense whatsoever and makes Jesus out to be a liar. But their modus operandi is to question our integrity and accuse us of being dishonest in our firmly held beliefs. They somehow think that dispensationalism is on a par with satan worship and not only must be challenged by must be destroyed and driven from the church.

Well, it ain't going anywhere. I find the dispensationalist model to be the only truly consistent interpretive model for eschatology. I'm sure there are enough of us to keep the preterists from throwing us all into the bottomless pit.

Happy Thanksgiving Quix.

May God truly bless you.

Marlowe

1,633 posted on 11/21/2007 7:30:16 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe; fortheDeclaration; Uncle Chip; Iscool
since it connotes Jesus sitting on a physical throne in earthly Jerusalem at some indeterminate point in the future.

= = =

Another UTTER FALSEHOOD brought to us by the Replacementarian

1. Rubber Bible;
2. Rubber dictionary;
3. Rubber history book;
4. Rubber logic book;
5. Rubber reality testing
6. Rubber exegesis a la the Alice In Woderland School of Theology.

A) The time is not pe se indtermiate at all. B) Scripture makes clear that at the end of The Great Tribuation comes Armageddon. THEN comes the Millenial Reign of Christ bodily in this time/space dimension on this planet. Only Replacementarian blinders prevent one seeing such obvious UnRubber Bible Scriptural truths.

1,634 posted on 11/21/2007 7:30:24 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: P-Marlowe

THANKS.

THE BEST OF THANKSGIVING DAY TO YOU AND ALL YOU LOVE.

May your relationships all deepen in their walk with The Lord and with each other in His Love and Intimacy.

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I think you are essentially right. Though I’m sure they would likely say ditto from their perspective regardng ours.

I still say . . . program a computer fairly and feed it the Scriptural and historical statements of fact . . . I have no doubt what the computer would assert as the MOST Biblical and MOST logical and MOST historically accurate.

But there’s something more than human irrationality going on, imho. And it IS evil. The deceiver of man is at work wholesale in that perspective.

And, as is often the case, his tools are dead religion; dead philosophies; dead GOD IN POWER AND MIGHT etc. etc. etc. The intellectualizations are hollow—devoid of Holy Spirit’s power, might, clarity, wisdom, Scriptural congruence. And they cannot see it. Some will not see it. But there is a startling amount of CANNOT see it, imho.

To me, there’s only one reason for CANNOT—demonic forces successfully seducing and deceiving.

Of course, those forces are usually behind the WILL NOT SEE as well.


1,635 posted on 11/21/2007 7:38:05 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
Are we in the Millennial Kingdom now?

If you are referring to the "thousand years" of Rev. 20, the answer is yes. Satan is bound from deceiving the nations, and the saints are reigning with Christ.

So Jesus has been working as the God of all creation for two thousand years to make His enemies His footstool...He seems to be having some trouble...Hasn't made any notable progress yet...

How long you s'pose this Millenium is going to last??? 20, 30,000 years??? A million??? Maybe Jesus meant a Millionenium

Now I am one of the saints...But it don't seem I'm reigning over anybody...I'm still having trouble with the dog...Who are you reigning over???

1,636 posted on 11/21/2007 7:48:44 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

So Jesus has been working as the God of all creation for two thousand years to make His enemies His footstool...He seems to be having some trouble...Hasn’t made any notable progress yet...

How long you s’pose this Millenium is going to last??? 20, 30,000 years??? A million??? Maybe Jesus meant a Millionenium

Now I am one of the saints...But it don’t seem I’m reigning over anybody...I’m still having trouble with the dog...Who are you reigning over???

= = =

Wonderfully put.

Thanks.


1,637 posted on 11/21/2007 7:51:21 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: tabsternager
It should be obvious to anyone who interprets Scripture in light of Scripture that Jesus was using prophetic hyperbole.

Hmmm...God created the earth, life, etc. in 6 days, and rested on the 7th day...We (actual bible believers) know that God says 6 days equals 6000 years...

We know that biblical history back to Adam and Eve goes back about 6000 years...That's 6 days on God's calander...

We know that even the Preterests look at a calender and acknowledge the 'Middle Ages'...And it's agreed that the Middle Ages runs from about 500 AD to 1500 AD...

If that's the middle, then we know that there were approx. 500 years at the beginning so there has to be 500 years at and to the end...That comes to approx. the year, 2000...Don't it??? That's 2000 years from Jesus and another 4000 back to Adam and Eve...

That leaves 1000 years, or 1 day on God's calender...And what' millennium mean to God, us bible believers, and Webster??? It means 1000...So isn't that weird??? God made all that Hyperbole all fit together...

Did you ever consider that maybe you're comparing and interpreting the right scripture with the wrong scripture???

1,638 posted on 11/21/2007 8:20:17 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Quix

Talk about blind faith...When God says we’ll be reigning, I expect God will provide something or someone to reign over...

But not to these guys...Reign apparelntly is more hyperbole and is a meaningless word that God threw in to make noise...

And since they don’t get it, they must figure we don’t get it as well...


1,639 posted on 11/21/2007 8:30:53 PM PST by Iscool
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To: P-Marlowe
The problem I see with the anti-Y-ist crowd here on FR is that they don't simply think Y-ism is wrong, they think that it (along with all those who believe in it) is EVIL.

They tend to refuse to confront the fact that they just may be wrong. For them to be wrong, or to even take it under consideration, is to somehow join the dark side.

I could care less whether or not people are stupid enough to believe in X-ism. It makes no biblical sense whatsoever and makes Jesus out to be a liar. But their modus operandi is to question our integrity and accuse us of being dishonest in our firmly held beliefs. They somehow think that Y-ism is on a par with satan worship and not only must be challenged by must be destroyed and driven from the church.

Well, it ain't going anywhere. I find the Y-ist model to be the only truly consistent interpretive model for eschatology. I'm sure there are enough of us to keep the X-ists from throwing us all into the bottomless pit.

Hold up a mirror. Everything you've said applies as well to your side. You-all seem to be holding the same views about us as you accuse us of having about you. Replace the variables as you see fit.

1,640 posted on 11/21/2007 8:58:33 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?")
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