Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
Simple math.
It rained for 40 days and 40 nights. (Or was that "Prophetic Hyperbole"?).
There are roughly 60,000 minutes in a 40 day period. The rain covered the highest mountain in the world which is roughly 30,000 feet above sea level. That would mean that the rain fell at a constant rate of 6 inches per minute. I doubt anyone could survive even 5 minutes of that kind of downpour.
It should be obvious to anyone who interprets Scripture in light of Scripture that Jesus was using prophetic hyperbole.
If Jesus used "prophetic hyperbole" then why should we believe anything Jesus said? How do we know he wasn't using hyperbole when he said that we would be granted "eternal life"? How do you know that he wasn't using Hyperbole when he said he would be with us forever?
If Christ foretold the future by exaggerating it, then he was a False Prophet. You can't get around that. The Jews would have been justified in stoning him.
And that when He is seen, the Jews would convert (Zech 12:10)
It is amazing what you guys attempt to leave out.
Yet, all (except Judas)were saved men before Christ went to the Cross.
So, clearly their salvation was not based on what we have to believe to be saved, that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead and is now at the right hand of the Father.
Their salvation was based on believing that Jesus was their Messiah and the Son of God (Mat.16:16)
The context is the Jews and their suffering, and only 1/3 survive to see Christ return in His glory. (Zech 13:9)
the highest mountain in the world which is roughly 30,000 feet above sea level.
That is the case in this era. Was it the case in the world that then was?
Sorry -- I don't see that John's text is limited to that first 26 AD coming. It can very well apply to that first preterist ethereal coming in 70 AD.
You know that it does not apply to partial preterist (like you find around here) because you know that we have consistently affirmed a future bodily second coming.
I know nothing of the sort. If partial preterists confess that Christ came in 70 AD in some way other than in the flesh, then John's text covers them.
Do you confess that Jesus Christ came not in the flesh but in some other way in 70 AD????
It doesn't say 'clan' it says 'family'.
Now, deal with the actual words in scripture-which in Matthew 24:30 is earth, not just the Jews see him as is made clear in Rev.1:7.
Moreover, that very verse contradicts what you are trying to push since the Jews didn't mourn for Christ as an only son when he appeared over Jerusalem.
As for John, Christ is speaking about the Apostles and disciples who are going to spread the Gospel.
Paul is speaking of the final Christian generation in 1Thess.4 that is taken home.
Christ mentions a generation that will not see death in Jn.11:26
Finally, 1Thess.4:16 doesn't say trumpet call, it says with the trump of God, which is God speaking
Rev.1: 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev.4 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
So, in reality while you claim to compare scripture with scriptures, you simply change the words to make them fit your own preconceived theological system simply ignore the differences.
A nice tidy system, but it is not the Bible.
Did the flood occur on a different world?
I suspect that the oceans were a lot lower than they are now. I suspect that much of the ocean water we see now is residual water from the flood. So if anything, 6 inches per minute is a conservative estimate.
Do you think the rain that God sent to destroy the earth came down like a gentle spring shower?
What history books are you reading?
There was no Roman Catholic church in AD70. There was no hierarchy and all the trapping we associate with Romanism. Your logic is failing you.
Because you choose not to.
It is difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who is intellectually dishonest to the degree you are.
Are we in the Millennial Kingdom now?
These dispensationalist discussions can be rancorous, but they don't have to be made more complicated by those kinds of misstatements.
Intellectual dishonesty is the hallmark of the preterist position.
I distinctly remember Paul writing a long letter to that Church.
But partial preterists also believe that Jesus Christ came in 70 AD in a way other than in the flesh. Am I correct????
A partial preterist is a full preterist who, when backed into a corner, denies that they are a preterist at all.
If you are referring to the "thousand years" of Rev. 20, the answer is yes. Satan is bound from deceiving the nations, and the saints are reigning with Christ.
The term millennial kingdom is a premil/dispensational notion that I prefer not to use since it connotes Jesus sitting on a physical throne in earthly Jerusalem at some indeterminate point in the future.
You are apparently as confused as the Roman Catholic church which admits to no other. It is no wonder that you cannot understand folks when they use normal terms in a normal fashion.
Amen to that --
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