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To: tabsternager
EACH CLAN BY ITSELF,

It doesn't say 'clan' it says 'family'.

Now, deal with the actual words in scripture-which in Matthew 24:30 is earth, not just the Jews see him as is made clear in Rev.1:7.

Moreover, that very verse contradicts what you are trying to push since the Jews didn't mourn for Christ as an only son when he appeared over Jerusalem.

As for John, Christ is speaking about the Apostles and disciples who are going to spread the Gospel.

Paul is speaking of the final Christian generation in 1Thess.4 that is taken home.

Christ mentions a generation that will not see death in Jn.11:26

Finally, 1Thess.4:16 doesn't say trumpet call, it says with the trump of God, which is God speaking

Rev.1: 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev.4 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

So, in reality while you claim to compare scripture with scriptures, you simply change the words to make them fit your own preconceived theological system simply ignore the differences.

A nice tidy system, but it is not the Bible.

1,608 posted on 11/21/2007 3:26:17 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So, in reality while you claim to compare scripture with scriptures, you simply change the words to make them fit your own preconceived theological system simply ignore the differences.

= = =

Essentially correct.

Though I think their rubber dictionaries change the words for them. I think they must buy them in bulk at the Joseph Smith discount house in Salt Lake City.


1,631 posted on 11/21/2007 7:09:05 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“It doesn’t say ‘clan’ it says ‘family’.”

I was using the NIV translation. Are you saying the NIV is not a correct translation? Any credible Bible scholar would disagree with you, including my uncle who translated Scripture for a living. “Family” and “clan” have the same meaning.

“Moreover, that very verse contradicts what you are trying to push since the Jews didn’t mourn for Christ as an only son when he appeared over Jerusalem.”

I’m not trying to push anything. I’m trying to interpret Scripture in light of Scripture. It’s dispensationalism that’s trying to push something that’s unbiblical. You weren’t there and neither was I. Jesus told Caiaphus that he would “see the Son of Man coming on the clouds” (Mark 16:62). Do you really think Caiaphus is still waiting around to see Him?

We can only go by Scripture. Scofield’s notes is not a good way to arrive at the truth.

The NIV says “trumpet call of God.” To my reading, that does not imply a “secret rapture.”


1,647 posted on 11/22/2007 4:56:57 AM PST by tabsternager
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