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To: XeniaSt; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; xzins; Campion
This queen is not a pagan goddess, nor is she worshipped:

Psalm 45:9
Daughters of kings are among your honored women; at your right hand is the Queen in gold of Ophir.

(An Old Testament type)

Nor is this one a pagan goddess:

Revelation 12:1
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the

(A New Testament sign)

Immediately before the sign at Rev 12:1.we have yet another sign at Rev. 11:19

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant.

There is someone who is the living Ark, who had within her the Holy One of Israel.

589 posted on 10/26/2007 3:41:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Bible tells me so.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Postulating Mary as the Ark is utter hogwash.

The woman in Tribulation, Revelation has no possibility of being Mary.

Sigh.


632 posted on 10/26/2007 5:08:30 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Dr. Eckleburg; XeniaSt; xzins
Revelation 12:1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the

hey ya want to disagree :) Here it is.

Scripture has to be read in context, you can not isolate a verse or 2 to make it fit your predisposition.

We do not read that Mary ever fled into the wilderness after Christ's birth. Also, verse 14 of Revelation 12 says the woman was given two wings of a great eagle that she might fly into the wilderness. Clearly the woman being spoken of in Revelation 12 is not a literal woman; but is being used to symbolize something else.

The early church fathers felt she represented the church, bring Christ to the world.

This is figurative language, Revelation is a book with many symbols and signs in it.

No the woman is not Mary.

Hippolytus says that the woman of Revelation 12 is the church.

Read his thoughts on this. "By the woman then clothed with the sun, he meant most manifestly the Church, endued with the Father's word, whose brightness is above the sun. And by the 'moon under her feet' he referred to her being adorned, like the moon, with heavenly glory. And the words, 'upon her head a crown of twelve stars,' refer to the twelve apostles by whom the Church was founded. And those, 'she, being with child, cries, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered,' mean that the Church will not cease to bear from her heart the Word that is persecuted by the unbelieving in the world. 'And she brought forth,' he says, 'a man-child, who is to rule all the nations;' by which is meant that the Church, always bringing forth Christ, the perfect man-child of God, who is declared to be God and man, becomes the instructor of all the nations. And the words, 'her child was caught up unto God and to His throne,' signify that he who is always born of her is a heavenly king, and not an earthly; even as David also declared of old when he said, 'The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit Thou at my right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.' 'And the dragon,' he says, 'saw and persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child. And to the woman were given two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.' That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church, which flees from city to city, and seeks conceal-meat in the wilderness among the mountains, possessed of no other defence than the two wings of the great eagle, that is to say, the faith of Jesus Christ, who, in stretching forth His holy hands on the holy tree, unfolded two wings, the right and the left, and called to Him all who believed upon Him, and covered them as a hen her chickens. For by the mouth of Malachi also He speaks thus: 'And unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in His wings.'" (Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, 61)

705 posted on 10/27/2007 8:27:14 AM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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