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To: Tolkien

“She is not co-redemmer and you guys pray to her like she is.”

No Catholic I have ever met does any such thing, nor do they believe the Blessed Mother to be a “co-redeemer”. Neither from a priest nor a deacon nor a bishop have I heard any such doctrine.


400 posted on 10/26/2007 11:20:21 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman
Well actually there IS a lot of loose talk about co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix.

A lot of Protestant antagonists insist, against the history of language, that "co" must mean "equal", and so they are scandalized. That's one reason I personally hope it remains loose talk. The theology stands whether or not it is made in any way official.

406 posted on 10/26/2007 11:28:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Then you need to educate yourself about your own religion.

408 posted on 10/26/2007 11:30:07 AM PDT by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: TheStickman
No Catholic I have ever met does any such thing, nor do they believe the Blessed Mother to be a “co-redeemer”. Neither from a priest nor a deacon nor a bishop have I heard any such doctrine.

964 Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";502 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:

With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.
St. Ildephonsus THE APOSTOLIC DIGEST, CHAPTER 1

In her, the many and intense sufferings were amassed in such an interconnected way that they were not only a proof of her
. . . it was on Calvary that Mary's suffering, beside the suffering of Jesus, reached an intensity which can hardly be imagined from a human point of view but which was mysteriously and supernaturally fruitful for the Redemption of the world. - - Salvifici Doloris(16)

To this I sat Bologna !

412 posted on 10/26/2007 11:33:33 AM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: TheStickman

“No Catholic I have ever met does any such thing, nor do they believe the Blessed Mother to be a “co-redeemer”. Neither from a priest nor a deacon nor a bishop have I heard any such doctrine.”

You can say it until the end of time but I truly believe that there are people who can’t hear the truth for their own pride, the strong delusion that afflicts them. You know what our Lord did when the town refused to hear Him. That’s what I’m doing lately: following His expample.


490 posted on 10/26/2007 2:06:48 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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