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To: ears_to_hear
Your church teaches only Jesus "kept the law perfectly"

I think you just found an error in the catechism.

(Congratulations!)

The citation for that sentence points to John 8:46, which could certainly be used as a prooftext for Christ's sinlessness, but not the idea that sinlessness is his exclusive prerogative.

104 posted on 10/25/2007 3:14:41 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...
I think you just found an error in the catechism.
(Congratulations!)

The citation for that sentence points to John 8:46, which could certainly be used as a prooftext for Christ's sinlessness, but not the idea that sinlessness is his exclusive prerogative.

So your church has a major error in its teaching? Men can be sinless?

"Only Christ is sinless on his own account. Mary was rendered sinless on account of a prevenient action of God, applying Christ's future merits and perfection to her. Mary did no work to make her a sinless vehicle for God-in-the-flesh. It was purely on account of God's grace, and the work of Christ, that Mary was made sinless.

That means Mary sinned as do all men, but she was declared righteous by a work of Christ as are all born again, (saved) men,http://www.churchyear.net/ic.html

2 Corinthians 6 >> 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 Peter 2 >> 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Hebrews 10 >> 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our [1] conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

2 Corinthians 5 is about the sinless life of Christ.

This is YOUR Catechism. It was vetted by the Magestrum and pope that acts infallibly in matters of faith according to you.

If they are wrong here, perhaps they are wrong elsewhere.

578 Jesus, Israel's Messiah and therefore the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, was to fulfill the Law by keeping it in its all embracing detail - according to his own words, down to "the least of these commandments".330He is in fact the only one who could keep it perfectly.331 On their own admission the Jews were never able to observe the Law in its entirety without violating the least of its precepts.332 This is why every year on the Day of Atonement the children of Israel ask God's forgiveness for their transgressions of the Law. The Law indeed makes up one inseparable whole, and St. James recalls, "Whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it."333

579 This principle of integral observance of the Law not only in letter but in spirit was dear to the Pharisees. By giving Israel this principle they had led many Jews of Jesus' time to an extreme religious zeal.334 This zeal, were it not to lapse into "hypocritical" casuistry,335 could only prepare the People for the unprecedented intervention of God through the perfect fulfillment of the Law by the only Righteous One in place of all sinners.336

580 The perfect fulfillment of the Law could be the work of none but the divine legislator, born subject to the Law in the person of the Son.337 In Jesus, the Law no longer appears engraved on tables of stone but "upon the heart" of the Servant who becomes "a covenant to the people", because he will "faithfully bring forth justice".338 Jesus fulfills the Law to the point of taking upon himself "the curse of the Law" incurred by those who do not "abide by the things written in the book of the Law, and do them", for his death took place to redeem them "from the transgressions under the first covenant".339

"............. 582 Going even further, Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: "Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him. . . (Thus he declared all foods clean.). . . What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . ."346 In presenting with divine authority the definitive interpretation of the Law, Jesus found himself confronted by certain teachers of the Law who did not accept his interpretation of the Law, guaranteed though it was by the divine signs that accompanied it.347 This was the case especially with the sabbath laws, for he recalls, often with rabbinical arguments, that the sabbath rest is not violated by serving God and neighbor,348 which his own healings did."

Here is the bottom line. Only one that never sinned could take the sin and the curse on himself , Mary could not have done that because like all the saints she was freed from the guilt of sin ONLY through the death of Christ.

She was a sinner like all of us, to be consistent in its doctrine in this area is a problem for your church

115 posted on 10/25/2007 3:59:03 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: Campion
What about Romans 3:10 and 3:23??

"...there are NONE righteous, no, not one..." KJV

"For ALL have sinned and and come short of the glory of God." KJV

If Mary never sinned, wouldn't that say, "For all EXCEPT Mary, the mother of Jesus, have sinned and come short of the glory of God."?
193 posted on 10/25/2007 8:11:19 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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