I don’t mean to be disrespectful - especially since I’m a newbie - but can you tell me how this can be true? That it is always God’s will when a person is to die?
Modern medicine can prop you up for YEARS, and then pull your plug, at the whim of some litigator. And you will have no control over it, because your mind will not be working properly after they load you with drugs.
Or you can take that inner decision yourself, it’s time to go, as JPII did.
You’re not disrespectful like some folks here ... . Our ways and thoughts aren’t His ways, so sometimes it’s hard to understand and accept outcomes.
Isa.55:8
[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Another way to look at it from a secular point of view would be, say you’re a CEO at some HUGE corporation. You will have more information and knowledge than the assembly line worker. The CEO will have the BIGGER picture and hopefully make the right decisions even if we don’t agree with them. In the situation of God, HE has the bigger picture and PERFECT knowledge. His decisions are ALWAYS right even if we don’t understand them. He is in control at ALL times - even thought we’d LIKE to believe, we are in control.
A nice testimony that highlights this:
http://www.testimonyshare.com/gods-always-in-control/
Perhaps another way of explaining this:
http://solochristo.com/theology/Salvation/pog/sogp4.htm
http://solochristo.com/theology/Salvation/pog/sogp1.htm
It is God, not modern medicine or any of our WORKS that will prevent GOD from taking home His own or nonbelievers. WE’ve been conditioned to believe that WE know as much as God in saving lives - we don’t! It’s honorable to save peoples lives but WE don’t make the call on that.
Some people who have cancer, use chemicals to fight it - some win the fight and go into remission and some lose their lives - who calls the outcome is GOD! Not the doctors. Not the drug companies.
“Modern medicine can prop you up for YEARS, and then pull your plug, at the whim of some litigator. And you will have no control over it, because your mind will not be working properly after they load you with drugs.”
Again, people want to believe they are in control ... they aren’t. I forget who it was ... Karen Quinlin ... who lived for years on a machine ... they “pulled the plug” expecting her to die and she DIDN’T - at least NOT when they, the medical folks thought she would.
Well, this Catholic family demanded that the court “pull the plug”. They did. She didn’t die. She lived for another 10 years!
“... Not only was the case groundbreaking legally, it was remarkable for its rare appeal to religious principles. Because she and her family were Catholics, several principles of Catholic moral theology were critical in deciding the case and thus influencing a development in American law, an influence replicated around the world. The case is credited also with the development of the modern field of bioethics. Although Quinlan was removed from active life support in 1976, she lived on in a coma for almost a decade until her death from pneumonia in 1985.”
She died of pneumonia, 10 years later!
This was God’s will. He controlled this, Not the doctors, the courts or the parents! God calls the shots.
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Ann_Quinlan
“Or you can take that inner decision yourself, it’s time to go, as JPII did.”
I truly can’t speak for JP11. I don’t know him. I don’t read his stuff and it really doesn’t matter. What matters is what God says and teaches us on how to best live our lives.
What I do know is all this puffed up self righteousness is silly - since NO mere mortal is better than another and at the foot of the cross we are all EQUAL in sin - even JP11.