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To: SuziQ; Twink; nmh
He let GOD decide without interfering via a feeding tube.

That was the quote from nmh. She suggested that somehow, God decided it was the Pope's time to die, and that choosing to use a feeding tube somehow interferes with God's will.

To be clear, the pope's death wasn't contributed or sped up by lack of a feeding tube; he didn't starve to death.

The flaw in NMH's reasoning is that when you decide to abandon someone to "God's Will" you wind up making a lot of unecessary martyrs. Like Terri Shaivo.

Is using an AED interfering with "God's Will?" Is administering O2 via a non-rebreather interfering with "God's Will?"

It's assinine for people to try and divine "God's Will" to suit getting rid of people who are inconvinent or to avoid having to make the harder choice. It's tiring to hear people use the "God's Will" excuse to get out of pretty much anything when the real answer is "I don't feel like it."

Though I'm sure NMH has appreciated you sticking up for him/her since apparently NMH has gotten called out for something else said on this thread as, well, bigoted.

146 posted on 09/25/2007 9:06:36 PM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: mbraynard
I don't usually attribute people dying to God's Will. That, as you said, can be an overused concept, and probably sometimes used for purposes that I don't think God ever intended.

The niece of a very good friend of mine was murdered many years ago in Mobile. At her funeral, her mother got up and told the kids who were there that they would probably hear someone say that it was God's Will that Katherine had died. Joanne said that she did not believe that. She believe her daughter was dead because of the murderer's will, which was against the Will of God.

The Pope was dying, there was nothing that was going to change that, if left to the natural cycle of life. The only thing that would have kept him alive would have been artificial means, and the Church has never taught that they are required to be employed for someone near death.

147 posted on 09/25/2007 9:39:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: mbraynard
“He let GOD decide without interfering via a feeding tube.

That was the quote from nmh. She suggested that somehow, God decided it was the Pope’s time to die, and that choosing to use a feeding tube somehow interferes with God’s will.”

I stated that my Grandmother, who was 100 didn’t wish anyone to go through heroic efforts to save her with double lung pneumonia. The doctors informed us that she wouldn’t survive without it. Not only did she SURVIVE but she THRIVED. She completely recovered and a about four months later her heart simply gave out. So, with or without a feeding tube, God calls the shots. Not man.

“The flaw in NMH’s reasoning is that when you decide to abandon someone to “God’s Will” you wind up making a lot of unecessary martyrs. Like Terri Shaivo.”

The flaw with you is that you don’t believe GOD is in control. God allowed Terri to die. God ALLOWED the courts to rule as they did. Man doesn’t determine this - GOD DOES! Terri was murdered. God allowed this - perhaps to show how evil we have become.

“Though I’m sure NMH has appreciated you sticking up for him/her since apparently NMH has gotten called out for something else said on this thread as, well, bigoted.”

I hadn’t been paying attention to YOU or this thread since my last response. I simply happened upon it. I have a REAL life and cyber life isn’t my priority nor do I wish to waste time on people like yourself. People like you, who have nothing to offer, ALWAYS have to resort to mindless name calling “bigoted” since truth is unacceptable to you.

Frankly, I know some very nice Catholics. We don’t agree on beliefs since Catholicism is not Bible based, however they have my respect. As for you, I feel sorry for you ... like the Pharisees ... you show “religion” on the outside but inside you are spiritually dead as well as a terrible example.

150 posted on 09/26/2007 6:38:34 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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