MHGinTN, Elsie, Diamond,
You guys crack me up, I can make the Bible (or any sufficiently large work) say ANYTHING if I just string together enough verses, from disperate places. It's kind of a low tech version of editing someone's voice, and sewing together words to make them say whatever you want. For example...
I could point out that by having this "Conversation" you are conspiring, then quote:
D&C 89:4 4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
by quoting this one scripture, after setting the context in which it joins the conversation, I could convince some Mormons who do not look any further that you are conspiring against the Church and that Joseph smith "Forsaw your very posts on FR.
The truth of the matter is that this scripture is the introduction for the Word of wisdom (a health code for Mormons for those who don't know) and has nothing whatsoever to do with people bad-mouthing the church.
Readers, If you are wondering what the point is? it's simple, since we both say the other is misleading you, you can't trust them or I to tell you the truth about the church. It's the old "I'm not lying, he's lying" conundrum. there is only one source that you can count on not to lie to you, about religion, and that is God, thus, I recommend that you
Put our religion to "The Test"
Get a free Book of Mormon and if you don't have one,
Get a free Bible, Read both, Pray about both, ignore the arguments here for they have been hashed and rehashed on many threads over years and years. There is a way for you to know of yourself, and that is to
ask God.
If you read the Bible, and feel God's spirit and feel the testimony of Jesus Christ, then you know it is of God. Similarly, if you read the Book of Momrons and feel that same spirit that testifies of the Bible testify of the Book of Mormon, then you know of yourself and no argument can confuse you that the Book of Mormon is true.
There will be those on this forum, who will claim that Asking is offensive,
they know not God, for he taught man to pray, in the Book of Mormons. In the Book of Momron a prophet has something to say about that.
Second Nephi 32:8 8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.
Similarly, the Bible speaks of those who pray, but receive no answer:
JOB 35:12 12 There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men
There will also be those who will tell you they received an answer, and you need not try for yourself, but the Bible Commands us to
try the spirits to see if
they are of God by seeing if the spirit meets with John's definition of the spirit is "
of God"
Dear reader, do not be deceived, if they say I deceive you, fine go to the one source of all truth, and believe not me, nor they, but verify with God.
MHGinTN, Elsie, Diamond, I really hate to rain on your parade, but anyone with intelligence will not listen to either of us, but to God.
“MHGinTN, Elsie, Diamond, I really hate to rain on your parade, but anyone with intelligence will not listen to either of us, but to God.” LOL ... I am pretty sure that’s why you, Diamond, and you, Elsie, and I’m certain that’s why I keep posting the Bible verses in their context of the chapter and the entire Bible. Odd that the poster doesn’t seem to catch that obvious one, but then he is a mormonism apologist rather than a Christian Apologist. It does make me wonder if he is a misguided Christian, that he continues to miss these obvious things in order to chew on the heresies of Mormonism as if they are truths.
You guys crack me up, I can make the Bible (or any sufficiently large work) say ANYTHING if I just string together enough verses, from disperate places. Too bad JS didn't know this, for we would not have the BoM, D&C's, PGP, etc.
The truth of the matter is that this scripture is the introduction for the Word of wisdom (a health code for Mormons for those who don't know) and has nothing whatsoever to do with people bad-mouthing the church.
Is this stuff 'Scripture', or some more of some fellows ideas?