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To: Elsie
Tell me I am not a Christian, now you are not telling the truth, problem.

I don't feel any problem with telling you that the Jesus your organizations members worship is not the same Jesus the mass of Christianity worship.


Sad really, I almost think you believe that.

Jesus, son of Mary, Born of a virgin birth, only begotten of the father, creator of heaven and earth, Healed the Sick, caused the lame to walk, cast out devils and raised the dead, how many of them do you think there are?

Do we understand him differently, sure, but he's still the same person.

Honestly, do you think in a half hour of less you could explain to a Buddhist why we don't worship the same Jesus?

Please look up Schism.

IS there a schism between Mormons and say Catholics, sure! Mormons and Baptists? Sure! You are just as wrong as all the people who started the other "Wars between religions" that have happened over the centuries, with Catholics declaring protestants are going to Hell, and vice versa, the differing Protestant churches ganging up on the catholics, or fighting amongst themselves. This is just more of the same, and frankly, Momrons are hoping you guys will grow up a bit.

You make yourself look proud and stupid at the same time when you try to tell us we don't believe in the same Jesus, because we have some differing doctrines about him, and thus you can somehow now judge us and say we are not christian. it shows how little history about Christianity and the schisms that are part of that history you know. You should look up Arius and Arainism What Momrons believe is not exactly "New" you can argue that it's wrong, but you can't argue that we made it up and be behaving in a reasonable manner. Even so, no one said that Arius believed in a "Different Jesus" because that is absurd on the face of it. The term has been used to highlight our differences, but you seem to mean it literally, and that's just silly.

You really should look some of this stuff up b before you post...

See ya.
663 posted on 10/11/2007 3:41:44 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
You are just as wrong as all the people who started the other "Wars between religions" that have happened over the centuries, with Catholics declaring protestants are going to Hell, and vice versa, the differing Protestant churches ganging up on the catholics, or fighting amongst themselves.

 
 
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 
This 'Father' described here does NOT match what is tradionally taught about Him.
This 'Jesus' described here does NOT match what is tradionally taught about Him.
 
 
 
 
I see nowhere that JS never 'prayed' to GOD to see if his vision was true, for he surely knew the Scripture that warned:
2 Corinthians 11:14
   And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 
 
 
You can see that others thought that mere men were angels or Christ before JS had his vision.
Galatians 4:14
   Even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.
 

664 posted on 10/12/2007 5:25:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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