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To: GLDNGUN
According to what the OT records say Moses only saw Jehovah.

If that's what you believe, and you believe that God (the Father) and Jehovah are 2 completely different people, why would you say that Moses saw God Father in an effort to prove that Joseph Smith saw God the Father?

Don't worry. You are certainly not the first Mormon to pull that. ;-)

I would like to say using that ending of you phrase was to provoke or assign motive.

It was uncalled for and accusatory!

That was not what I said!

I said in the OT Moses spoke to Jehovah (Jesus). and than I pointed out in the NT and JSH that Heavenly Father introduce his only begotten Son.

My point was the pattern was not consistent in the OT as in the NT where Heavenly Father remains silent unless he is introducing his Son!

I must say and you are not alone in being unplasant but you emanate an attitude of animosity towards the LDS you do not treat this as a discussion, you treat the LDS with contempt

It is very puzzling...

401 posted on 09/20/2007 6:36:52 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing!)
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To: restornu
That was not what I said!

I said in the OT Moses spoke to Jehovah (Jesus). and than I pointed out in the NT and JSH that Heavenly Father introduce his only begotten Son.

Ok, let's review.

Someone posted:

Those who claim Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son, fail to grasp basics in Scripture or intend to deceive.

YOUR response to that was:

You forget that Moses did see God face to face and even return with a red face and covered his face

You say no man has seen God and that is true but God can elevate a man from his mortal status to a transfiguration for a period of time.

It is quite clear that you are stating that Moses saw GOD, and you are trying to use that as "proof" that indeed Joseph Smith did see GOD along with His Son, Jesus Christ. You used and many other Mormons have used this to rebut Christians who bring up the Biblical passage that says "NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD". The typical response is "well, Moses saw God "face to face", so it's obvious man CAN see God, so that is why the argument that Joseph Smith could not have seen God is bogus". Indeed, you try to explain how it is that Moses and Joseph Smith could have seen God if the Bible says NO MAN has seen God by coming up with "God can elevate a man from his mortal status to a transfiguration for a period of time." Again, you are obviously stating that this is what happened to Moses and Joseph Smith, allowing them to see GOD.

Now then, I will simply point out what I pointed out before. According to LDS doctrine, Moses DID NOT SEE GOD. And DON'T play word games here. When you say GOD, you and every Mormon is talking about GOD the Father, not His Son, Jesus Christ, so don't even go there. According to LDS doctrine, Moses saw Jehovah and NOT GOD the Father. So how does Moses seeing Jehovah in any way lend credibility to Joe Smith's story that he saw GOD the Father???

It doesn't. I'll repeat my earlier statement. Mormons who try this argument are either trying to be deceptive or don't know their own doctrine.

Now then, would you agree that Moses did NOT see God the Father and therefore in NO WAY proves that Joe Smith nor any other man has seen the "face" of God?

428 posted on 09/20/2007 8:24:59 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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