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New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
CNS ^ | August 9, 2007 | Beth Griffin

Posted on 08/13/2007 4:37:16 PM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

We have obviously lost our collective mind.

Peace on their terms is the only peace we will get from these people.


21 posted on 08/13/2007 5:01:18 PM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: NYer

EVERYTHING I suspected about Islam — was confirmed on Sept. 11

It confirmed what I had read about the history of Islam and the rest of the world....

Also - the reaction and comments from Islamic spokespersons since that date - and continued subsequent outrages committed by militant Islamists almost daily, further validates my understanding.

Islam is a cult, containing uncounted members desiring our subjugation and the destruction of life as we know it..

It will be a case of we destroy them, or they destroy us..
It’s really as simple as that...
To attempt to make it more complex, is an exercise in self deception...


22 posted on 08/13/2007 5:01:22 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NYer

Were there any survivors?


23 posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:02 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: 353FMG
I read about a Dutch bishop urging Catholics to call God allah.

Unless this was a Chaldean, Melkite or Maronite Catholic Church (Allah is Arabic for God), the pastor had NO business doing so.

We’re not far from that situation here. Muslims hi-5ing each other again for the umpteenth time.

In my part of NYS, the local area bishop is closing down Churches and schools. Meanwhile, only a few hundred feet away from the Knights of Columbus Council, the local muslims are erecting a 2 minaret mosque!

I never thought the west was that easy to conquer.

Societal excesses have created fattened calfs. Being Muslim in the US is now, as the French would say, 'de rigueur'.

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

24 posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Whenever a righteous person in the Bible was visited by an angel, the FIRST thing the angel did was to ensure that they were not afraid.

According to Muhammad, when he was visited by an “angel” he was terrified and remained that way for several days. I have no doubt that he had a visitation, but it WAS NOT from an angel of God.


25 posted on 08/13/2007 5:04:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Great point.


26 posted on 08/13/2007 5:21:46 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: NYer
Imam Khan expressed interest in making a reciprocal visit to Graymoor. "Quran tells us that how you deal with your neighbors is very important," he said.

Uh oh...

27 posted on 08/13/2007 5:40:18 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: trisham
I thought we Catholics were discouraged from this kind of thing? Am I wrong?

We can't even get 435 elected Representatives of the American people to think like Americans much less a billion Catholics to think like Catholics.

28 posted on 08/13/2007 5:47:09 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: NYer
I have begun to understand the importance that we Catholics return to calling it not Islam but Mohammedanism.
29 posted on 08/13/2007 5:56:50 PM PDT by civis ("Paging Hillaire Belloc!")
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To: Nihil Obstat

No. Who would tell them?


30 posted on 08/13/2007 6:17:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer
Women are not required to interrupt their routines to go to the mosque for Friday prayer.

LOL! What a tactful way of saying that women are not welcome at "Friday prayer."

The Graymoor Franciscans, like most Franciscans, have mush for brains. They were originally Anglicans and then became Catholics at some point. They run a recovery center for alcholics, and do much valuable work that way.

But when you remember that St. Francis set off to preach to and convert the Muslims (with little success, but they were so stunned by his audacity that they let him go), and then look at modern day Franciscans, many of whom dabble in syncretism, you just want to scream. I do, at least.

31 posted on 08/13/2007 6:23:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Wow, what a total waste of time. I saw the word “diversity” mentioned in the article and that about summed it up for me. Wacky Catholics on a diversity feel good trip.


32 posted on 08/13/2007 6:29:31 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: civis

‘not Islam but Mohammedanism.’ — and why would that be a good idea? I am curious.


33 posted on 08/13/2007 7:16:49 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NYer
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam

If someone had told me that some New York Catholics went on
an incommunicado space trip since 9-10-2001, I wouldn't believe them.

BUT, I might say "I guess they got back to Earth safely and have
recently been frequenting mosques."
34 posted on 08/13/2007 7:31:43 PM PDT by VOA
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In 1998-2000 I had a Muslim co-worker who I told frequently I'd like to go to mosque with, but he always came up with one excuse or another. That always struck me as a little strange...until 9/11.

Now let me guess what the talk was in there.

35 posted on 08/13/2007 7:53:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NYer

that’s awesome.


36 posted on 08/13/2007 8:19:09 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; vox_freedom

Crisis in the Church? What crisis in the Church?


37 posted on 08/13/2007 8:24:40 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

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38 posted on 08/13/2007 8:29:57 PM PDT by B-Cause (“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free!”)
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To: NYer

How touchingly multi-cultural //sarc off//


39 posted on 08/13/2007 9:19:57 PM PDT by California Desert Rat (Liberals & Democrats: Al Qaeda's bedmates)
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To: NYer
"The thing that struck me," said Dan Donnelly, "was the commonality that pervades. We have significant doctrinal differences. They don't believe in the Trinity or in the divinity of Jesus, but we have a common father who created us and we should all love one another."

If it weren't for that meddling Jesus, we could all be friends!

How stupid can a "c"atholic be, so as to not know that Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, and find any reason to attend a mosque. It is sad when a supposed Catholic does not know how the Church in North Africa was decimated by force who knows that apartheid is alive in well in most Muslim nations.

How can one find common cause with someone who denies the divinity of Jesus while 21st century martyrs call out with blood?
40 posted on 08/14/2007 4:41:07 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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