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To: D-fendr
FK: "From the mailbox, of course God will chide His children to be good and stay in the yard, but when they run out into traffic He will just smile, shake His head, and STAND PERFECTLY STILL. "

Is this what sin and God's grace and love are like to you? God is God no matter what we believe.

Well, obviously the above is my estimation of the result of the Roman Catholic faith since it would seem much more important to God that man have free will and die, than to not have free will and live in Heaven forever. I don't see that as love at all. And, I WOULD say that God is God no matter what we believe. His truth is not dependent on whether anyone believes it or not.

9,993 posted on 10/27/2007 8:50:38 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
the above is my estimation of the result of the Roman Catholic faith

Which is wrong. Sin, God's grace and love are no different from what you experience. If God is not "perfectly still" for you, why would you assume the Catholic experience is different?

Maybe because you separate 'subjective' free will from actual free will? And because you believe that God is different for the elect and reprobate?

God's grace and love and the pain of sin are the same for all humans. This is our theology. God does not hide or change dependent on the individual.This is our theology.

You can experience this the same as everyone else. It's only if you don't trust this - if you think it's subjective, illusionary, "percieved free will" as I believe you put it, then you can start believing that God depends on your theology.

And you can get lost in it, separating what you truly experience from how your theology says it actually is "from God's POV".

You can start living your experience distantly, on the layer of your theology. And the experience of God becomes more distant, removed, foreign, to you.

Like cooking from a recipe in a foreign language.

IMHO. FWIW.

9,998 posted on 10/27/2007 9:35:58 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Forest Keeper
<<>> And there we have it. The Reformed god does not want men (all men) to live in Heaven forever. He only wants a portion thereof. That is not love whatsoever. Jesus offered Himself on the Cross for all men, not just the few. Saving only the few means that His Sacrifice was not good enough for all of Creation; Saving only the few means that He is not omnipotent. Reformed theology seems more to me like a whimsical little boy playing with ants, burning some and not burning others.
10,036 posted on 10/29/2007 7:38:50 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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