[Kolokotronis]

“”I am still at a loss as to how you justify Perpetual Virginity, Bodily Assumption of Mary, and the Trinity.”

The first two are accounted for in the Protoevangelium of James which is early 2nd century. As for the Trinity, well, how about Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”? There’s more in the NT and there are types of the Trinity in the OT. Old enough for you?

I must tell you, however, that the guarantee to me that The Church has it right on Perpetual Virginity, The Assumption and the Trinity is quite frankly the uninterrupted witness of my own family for at least 1800 years. From generation to generation we have believed the same things as they have been passed down to us within the family and within the liturgical community of The Church where we have worshiped God in a virtually identical way for those 1800 years. Lex orandi, lex credendi, Old R. I sincerely doubt that you can understand what it is to know, thoroughly and in every fiber of the body, every single Sunday, that I am worshiping our Triune God with the “Right Praise”, in an Orthodox manner, and for all intents and purposes in the same manner and in the same words as the Liturgy was celebrated in Jerusalem and Antioch and Athens and Corinth and Rome in the years after the Resurrection. And its not just me, Old R. Kosta shares the same religious and familial experience. NYer hears the words of the consecration in the very language Christ spoke them in at Maronite Liturgies. The Latins here witness the continuing, nearly 2000 year old Roman Rite of the Divine Liturgy. That’s my assurance. I know what The Church always and everywhere has believed.

This is the Faith of the Apostles,
this is the Faith of the Fathers,
this is the Faith of the Orthodox,
this is the Faith which has established the Universe.

[OLD REGGIE]

The first two are accounted for in the Protoevangelium of James which is early 2nd century.

Apocrypha!

As for the Trinity, well, how about Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”?

Father and Son = 2.

"I must tell you, however, that the guarantee to me that The Church has it right on Perpetual Virginity, The Assumption and the Trinity is quite frankly the uninterrupted witness of my own family for at least 1800 years...

I know what The Church always and everywhere has believed.

This is the Faith of the Apostles,
this is the Faith of the Fathers,
this is the Faith of the Orthodox,
this is the Faith which has established the Universe."

Words, words, words but no documentation, no proof.

Sorry, your words have no meaning whatsoever except to state your belief. That's fine and I don't doubt that there is a place in God's home if you are sincere and act accordingly.

You, however, do not speak for me and hundreds of millions of others.

[NYer]

Mama mia! I can't believe this thread is still running.

The first two are accounted for in the Protoevangelium of James which is early 2nd century.

Back in 2005, someone posted it to the FR Religion Forum. Sometimes it's fun to resurrect old threads. Here it is:

The Protoevangelium of James

NYer hears the words of the consecration in the very language Christ spoke them in at Maronite Liturgies.

There are at least 3 Eastern Catholic Churches that retain Aramaic for the Words of Institution. Here is the transliterated text for the Consecration of the Bread. To hear the priest chant this each week, is like being at the Last Supper.

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Aramaic Consecration

Byow mo how daq dom ha sho dee leh
ma' bed hy eh
nsa bel lah mo be dow qa dee sho to.
Ou ba rekh
ou qa desh
waq so
ou ya bel tal mee dow kad o mar:
Sab a khool meh neh kul khoon:
Ho no den ee tow faghro deel
day lo fy koun wah lof sagee hey
meh teq seh ou meh tee heb
lhoo so yo dhow beh was ha yeh dal 'o lam
'ol meen.

English Translation

On the day before his life-giving passion,
Jesus took bread in his holy hands.
He blessed,
sanctified,
broke,
and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take and eat it, all of you:
This is my body
which is broken and delivered for you
and for many,
for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

[jo kus]

I must tell you, however, that the guarantee to me that The Church has it right on Perpetual Virginity, The Assumption and the Trinity is quite frankly the uninterrupted witness of my own family for at least 1800 years. From generation to generation we have believed the same things as they have been passed down to us within the family and within the liturgical community of The Church where we have worshiped God in a virtually identical way for those 1800 years. Lex orandi, lex credendi, Old R. I sincerely doubt that you can understand what it is to know, thoroughly and in every fiber of the body, every single Sunday, that I am worshiping our Triune God with the “Right Praise”, in an Orthodox manner, and for all intents and purposes in the same manner and in the same words as the Liturgy was celebrated in Jerusalem and Antioch and Athens and Corinth and Rome in the years after the Resurrection. And its not just me, Old R. Kosta shares the same religious and familial experience. NYer hears the words of the consecration in the very language Christ spoke them in at Maronite Liturgies. The Latins here witness the continuing, nearly 2000 year old Roman Rite of the Divine Liturgy. That’s my assurance. I know what The Church always and everywhere has believed.

Well said. When it comes down to it, our faith is not based on proof texts and rational hair-splitting, but the fact that it has been passed down from generation to generation, our Church led by the Spirit, from the time of Christ. If it is wrong, then Christ broke His promise to be with His Church and lead it to all truth. We believe because we know who has taught us - said Paul to Timothy - and we continue with that idea. We KNOW who taught us.

Regards