As for the Trinity, well, how about Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”?
Father and Son = 2.
"I must tell you, however, that the guarantee to me that The Church has it right on Perpetual Virginity, The Assumption and the Trinity is quite frankly the uninterrupted witness of my own family for at least 1800 years...
I know what The Church always and everywhere has believed.
This is the Faith of the Apostles,
this is the Faith of the Fathers,
this is the Faith of the Orthodox,
this is the Faith which has established the Universe."
Words, words, words but no documentation, no proof.
Sorry, your words have no meaning whatsoever except to state your belief. That's fine and I don't doubt that there is a place in God's home if you are sincere and act accordingly.
You, however, do not speak for me and hundreds of millions of others.
So what?
“the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”?
Father and Son = 2.”
Surely when you were in school, so very long ago, Father, Son and Holy Spirit = 3.
“Words, words, words but no documentation, no proof.”
Well those last words are from the final statement of the 7th Ecumenical Council, but I suspect that won’t impress you.
Old R, there is little point in us continuing this. +John Chrysostomos, a man experienced in dealing with heresy and heretics recommended:
“By ‘contentions,’ he means, with heretics, in which he would not have us labor to no purpose, where nothing is to be gained, for they end in nothing. For when a man is perverted and predetermined not to change his mind, whatever may happen, why shouldest thou labor in vain, sowing upon a rock, when thou shouldest spend thy honorable toil upon thy own people, in discoursing with them upon almsgiving and every other virtue?
How then does he elsewhere say, “If God peradventure will give them repentance” (2 Tim. ii.25); but here, “A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted and sinneth, being condemned of himself”? In the former passage he speaks of the correction of those of whom he had hope, and who had simply made opposition. But when he is known and manifest to all, why dost thou contend in vain? why dost thou beat the air? What means, “being condemned of himself”? Because he cannot say that no one has told him, no one admonished him; since therefore after admonition he continues the same, he is self-condemned.”
I have many failings. One of them is not heeding the admonitions of saints. If you have any doubts at all as to the futility of this discussion, take a look at this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1917242/posts
You can't comment on it cause its a caucus thread, but it will give you an idea of the sort of things we believe. I doubt we have any religious common ground at all.