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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; jo kus; D-fendr
HD clearly states that what, who and where we are is God's doing. ...If everything is God's doing, then ours is not neither good nor evil. It's a theological corner that all monergists paint themselves into, and then chose to ignore it.

No, you misunderstand what is being said.

Got the picture?

God must change us from doing our will (spiritual) evil to doing His will (spiritual) good. That is why we are being made into His likeness-to do good. There is no corner. It's black and white.

8,721 posted on 10/11/2007 6:04:06 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; jo kus; D-fendr

The Bible says that we WERE all made in His image.

Not that we will be. That is black and white.


8,752 posted on 10/11/2007 7:40:56 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; jo kus; D-fendr
No, you misunderstand what is being said. Every (spiritually) good thing comes from the Father. Every (spiritually) bad thing is generated by us

No, HD, you are changing your story. If we are exactly who we are, where we are and what we are because God willed it, then it makes no difference if we are good or evil; in either case it's God's final word, and therefore His doing.

Monergism is not only a one way street; it's a dead-end street as well. You can't have God in control of everything and man being in control of (and repsonsible for) his sin. If we sin on our own, then God is not in control of everything. But, if our nature is sinfull, and our will is sinfull, then God is not in cotnrol of our nature or our will and there goes your soveeignty of God.

But your doctrine says that we are born sinful because of God. What we are is God's doing, as you say and are now trying to retract, because, after all, you believe that God trapped and tricked Adam to commit sin. Our sinful nature did not come about wihtout God's making sure it does. Or as some say triumphantly, "God was not surprised!"

All Protestants paint themselves into this corner with monergism. This is why St. Augustine finally realized that his doctrines were leading him to accuse God of evil, and that's when he stopped.

Perhaps the Protestants should do the same.

8,852 posted on 10/12/2007 5:10:10 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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