To: HarleyD; jo kus; MarkBsnr
He will from time to time willfully sin against God. There you have it! Man has Free Will to sin.
God did not pre-program that sin into man or God would be the owner of that sin. Thus making God not perfect ,thus making God an evil monster who is responsible for every abortion,murder,genocide etc.
Why the heck would there even be the devil and evil spirits than? Why would they even exist and tempt someone if we have no free will? So that God could blame them for something He predetermined anyway! Ridiculous!
Hell would be a place where God sacrifices man to the devil because in the sick mind of Calvin....God predestines some men to hell.
Even sicker yet, Calvin says ...that "there are babies a span long in hell"
Denying free will is un-Christian
8,061 posted on
10/03/2007 12:20:08 PM PDT by
stfassisi
("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
To: stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Athena1
Denying free will is un-ChristianWhew, I'm sure glad St.Calvin believed in free will or you might have called him un-christian.
To: stfassisi; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; OrthodoxPresbyterian; jo kus
There you have it! Man has Free Will to sin. I would refer you to suzy's most excellent post of 8060:
The Calvinist says that natural, Fallen Man is not forced to Sin, never forced to do Evil, never compelled to reject God. On the contrary, Fallen Man is absolutely Free; and so he freely wills to Sin, to do Evil, to reject God all the time, every time, for that is all he wants to do and he has the uninhibited Free will to do whatsoever he Wants, without compulsion.
I couldn't have said it any better. And like suzy stated, is there any man who naturally want to please God? The answer is of course not.
God must change this nature. You believe we cooperate in this changing. We believe that God simply changes us.
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