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To: HarleyD; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings
the Lord's prayer is primarily about God and His will being carried out. There is not much of a petition for us with only a scant reference in the prayer for our "needs" to be provided

Endless rationalizations. Let's look at it. Here is the part that is to God:

Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

Here is the part about us asking for favors

Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we (have) forgive(n) those who trespass(ed) against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from (the) evil (one).

Two thirds of the prayer are supplication. I think that hardly makes it "primarily about God."

This is a typical approach to those in authority over you. First you give them praise, then you petition. The Lord's Prayer is a petition to God to sustain us, to forgive us, and to keep us safe.

It's all about us, our sustinance, our safety and our forgiveness. If the prayer ended with the first aprt, then we could say it about God. Instead, the first part leads into the second and thrid parts by establishing that He is alighty and that He can do these things for us, and then we ask Him if He would do them for us. It's supplication.

HD, when the Calvinists pray for the sick, what do they expect? For God to change His mind? Or do they praise God for causing the sickness (after all, He is behind tidal waves and hurricanes, why not sickness, right)? And when a person dies, do Calvinists say "Thank you Lord" and jump from joy?

7,318 posted on 09/27/2007 5:58:49 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
And when a person dies, do Calvinists say "Thank you Lord" and jump from joy?

When a christian dies, yes. My faith-filled father was suffering and I gave thanks when he died. His death was a blessing. The joy will come when I am with him again in paradise.

7,325 posted on 09/27/2007 8:21:57 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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