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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Christ paid for everyone’s sins.

If they repent, then they are forgiven them. The payment has already been made.

The verses from John 17 pertain to the Apostles. Read the chapter in its entirety, along with John 13-16. Do you read nothing in context?

Misinterpreting Paul, Psalms, and now a lone foray into the Gospels is proving no better. I argue not with God but with those who misinterpet His words.


7,268 posted on 09/26/2007 11:25:24 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe
Christ paid for everyone’s sins.

If Christ paid for everyone's sins, everyone will end up in heaven. That's the deciding factor -- whether or not your sins have been forgiven by the atoning work of Christ on the cross. If He atones for all sins, all sin is forgiven and everyone ends up in heaven.

And Scripture denies this.

If God wanted all men saved, all men would be saved.

The verses from John 17 pertain to the Apostles.

LOL. Again, and over and over, you restrict Christ's words to a select few among the priestcraft -- the same select few to whom you impart mystical powers which they have no right nor ability to perform. Christ ordained the priesthood of believers. The Good News is given to His sheep; not just to the cloistered mystics who vainly imagine themselves to be "another Christ."

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5


"But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore." -- Hebrews 7:24-28


7,273 posted on 09/26/2007 11:43:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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