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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
Somehow these guys seem to be unable to say that Christ died for their sins

There is a difference between dying for somone's sins willingly and being killed for someone's sins. Besides, it's not biblical.

[E]veryone shall be put to death for his own sin. [Det 24:16, 2 King 14:16].

The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. [Eze 18:20]

Are you saying that Christ sinned?

6,658 posted on 09/19/2007 9:17:49 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; P-Marlowe; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; D-fendr
For the discussion:

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. – Luke 22:42

Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. – John 12:27

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. – Phl 2:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. – Revelation 13:8

A key chapter for Spiritual discernment:

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. – Revelation 5

My assertion is that we cannot apply mortal logic (or our carnal sense of what is right) to Christ’s obedience – including characterizing the Father’s will as anything but Good and Just and Complete, Alpha and Omega:

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. - Proverbs 14:12

For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:8-9

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

If we judge a man we will be held to the same measure we used and will be found guilty (Matthew 7 and Romans 2) - how much worse it would be to judge God...

Maranatha, Jesus!

6,663 posted on 09/19/2007 9:57:28 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50; P-Marlowe

Are you saying Jesus is not “The Lamb of God?”

Were Lambs sacrificed at Passover or were they not?

This is sort of a silly argument, though. He truly is the Lamb of God, and nothing anyone can say will change the scripture or change that fact.


6,708 posted on 09/19/2007 1:30:26 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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