[Dr. Eckleburg]

I should put up a topic here in which we ask people if they believe that they are of the elect; if they KNOW that they're going to heaven.

That topic has been discussed endlessly on FR. And yes, to a one the reformers and most Protestants say they are certain of their salvation because the Bible tells us if we have faith in Jesus Christ, we are among His children.

I'm afraid the RCC is the odd man out here.

"O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:

Which by his strength setteth fast the mountains; being girded with power:

Which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people." -- Psalm 65:2-7

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"According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." -- Ephesians 3:-21

[MarkBsnr]

Ah, the old Catholic Church, the curmudgeon, the fastidious, the cranky, the true.

All of the Reformers cannot by example go to heaven because there are woeful sinners amongst them.

We have had many devout Protestant serial killers; do they go to Heaven? The Catholic Church may be odd man out, but that only goes to illustrate that the Reformation was wrong, is dangerous spiritually, and has claimed more souls for satan than any other enterprise since time began.

[kosta50]

And yes, to a one the reformers and most Protestants say they are certain of their salvation because the Bible tells us if we have faith in Jesus Christ, we are among His children.

Notice, Mark, that this fleeting generalization automatically includes the LDS, the JW, and all sorts of cults that claim faith in Christ.