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To: MarkBsnr
Servants, not slaves.

Harley, the verses quoted lend no support to the supposition that man has no free will before the Holy Spirit invades him,

I’m afraid that these verses support the Catholic position on free will and repudiate the Reformed position. I don’t see this as accidental, friend. I think that you’re testing the waters for current, temperature etc. :)


10,872 posted on 11/09/2007 3:43:32 PM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: HarleyD

Fair spoken.

But please remember that we do not and have never claimed, not for 2000 years, that man can ascend to heaven by his own effort. We have declared heretical this belief. We keep getting accused directly or else implied that we think so. I wonder what we’re going to have to do other than frogmarch the accusers through the Catechism. They’re used to be frogmarched, aren’t they? :)

We believe, however, that God reaches out with His Grace to all, not those elected from the cosmic bingo barrel.

...(psst, I meant the waters of the Tiber, shhhh)...


10,886 posted on 11/10/2007 1:30:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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