Fair spoken.
But please remember that we do not and have never claimed, not for 2000 years, that man can ascend to heaven by his own effort. We have declared heretical this belief. We keep getting accused directly or else implied that we think so. I wonder what we’re going to have to do other than frogmarch the accusers through the Catechism. They’re used to be frogmarched, aren’t they? :)
We believe, however, that God reaches out with His Grace to all, not those elected from the cosmic bingo barrel.
...(psst, I meant the waters of the Tiber, shhhh)...
Agree, but it's just the same for us Calvinists. We keep getting accused that man has no will when in fact we make it very clear that man indeed does have a will. Catholics believe man must cooperate with God's grace exercising their will. Calvinists believe that will is bound in sin and cannot cooperate with God until it has been set free. A fine but important technical point.
We believe, however, that God reaches out with His Grace to all, not those elected from the cosmic bingo barrel.
Well if God reaches out with His Grace to all, why did you choose and not someone else? Wasn't it because of your efforts?