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To: stfassisi
Here is a few more writings that you might want to read from Blessed Saint Irenaeus,since you want to try and use him to support a reformed point of view.

I'm not trying to use Irenaeus to support the reformed point of view. Anyone reading Irenaeus understands that he had far bigger fish to fry than setting forth a comprehensive systematic theology. This couldn't be done in the Church until Augustine came alone because of all the heresy springing up. (Which is why I normally go back to Augustine.)

I'm simply pointing out there is evidence of the monergistic beliefs of most the early western church fathers. Augustine consolidated their position.

As Augustine's stated; it all goes back to the scriptures, "What do you have that has not been given to you?"

10,815 posted on 11/09/2007 2:23:04 AM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: HarleyD
“”As Augustine’s stated; it all goes back to the scriptures,””

Blessed Augustine relied on the Catholic Church.
Take a look...

“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the AUTHORITY of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.”
Against the Letter of Mani 5,6, 397 A.D.

“But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture BUT FROM TRADITION, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept either by the Apostles themselves or by plenary COUNCILS, THE AUTHORITY OF WHICH IS QUITE VITAL TO THE CHURCH.”
Letter of Augustine to Januarius 54,1,1, 400 A.D.

“I believe that this practice comes from apostolic tradition, just as so many other practices NOT FOUND IN THEIR WRITINGS nor in the councils of their successors, but which, because they are kept by the whole Church everywhere, are believed to have been commended and handed down by the Apostles themselves.”
St. Augustine, Baptism 1,12,20, 400 A.D.

“What they found in the Church they kept; what they learned, they taught; what they received from the fathers, they handed on to the sons.”
St. Augustine, Against Julian, 2,10,33, 421 A.D.

“Since by Christ’s favor we are CATHOLIC Christians:”
St. Augustine, Letter to Vitalis, 217,5,16, 427 A.D.

“By the same word, by the same Sacrament you were born, but you will not come to the same inheritance of eternal life, unless you return to the CATHOLIC CHURCH.”
St. Augustine, Sermons, 3, 391 A.D.

“This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall NOT conquer her.”
St. Augustine, Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D.

Dear Brother, You’re hanging your yourself again by “guessing” on what the Early Church Fathers thought

Blessed Augustine would want you to become a Catholic and live a Sacramental Christian life

10,817 posted on 11/09/2007 4:35:23 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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