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To: irishtenor; kosta50; Kolokotronis
“Oxford American dictionary:?”

Is that the one Saint Jerome used -;)

Predestination means only that God knows what we will do, not that we are ‘obliged’ to do it.salvation depends simultaneously to God and to man, absolutely to God, without whose Spirit there is no grace and illumination, and also absolutely to man, without whose free will God can do nothing to save him..

Remember ,God is outside of time and not bound by it

Perhaps Dear Kosta or Kolo can help with the original Greek?

10,475 posted on 11/05/2007 6:11:00 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

***Predestination means only that God knows what we will do, not that we are ‘obliged’ to do it.***

No, predestine means we are destined to do it. Period. It is predetermined what will come about. Not what might come about.

If something is predestined by God, it will be done. History was written before God said “Let there be light.”


10,477 posted on 11/05/2007 6:19:40 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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To: stfassisi

***Is that the one Saint Jerome used -;)***

I don’t know about St. Jerome, but St. Irishtenor uses it :>)


10,478 posted on 11/05/2007 6:20:47 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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To: stfassisi
Predestination means only that God knows what we will do...

Wrong, it means to "pre-ordain" by Divine appintment.

Acts 13:48

Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

10,480 posted on 11/05/2007 6:32:37 PM PST by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: stfassisi; irishtenor; kosta50

Knowing the Greek won’t help you here. Better to read what people who spoke Greek as their language understood the term to mean in a theological context.

The consensus patrum of the Eastern Fathers NEVER understood predistination in a manner like that of the Calvinists and some other Protestants. That idea is the sad result of Blessed Augustine’s years as a Manichean heretic which carried forward into his days as a Christian. The West’s notion of predestination is one of the primary differences between Eastern Christianity and various sorts of Western belief.

This snip, from +John of Damascus, is consistent with the consensus patrum. It is what The Church in the East has always taught:

“We ought to understand that while God knows all things beforehand, yet He does not predetermine all things. For He knows beforehand those things that are in our power, but He does not predetermine them. For it is not His will that there should be wickedness nor does He choose to compel virtue. So that predetermination is the work of the divine command based on fore-knowledge. But on the other hand God predetermines those things which are not within our power in accordance with His prescience. For already God in His prescience has prejudged all things in accordance with His goodness and justice.”


10,486 posted on 11/05/2007 7:11:54 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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