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To: stfassisi

***Predestination means only that God knows what we will do, not that we are ‘obliged’ to do it.***

No, predestine means we are destined to do it. Period. It is predetermined what will come about. Not what might come about.

If something is predestined by God, it will be done. History was written before God said “Let there be light.”


10,477 posted on 11/05/2007 6:19:40 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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To: irishtenor; Missey_Lucy_Goosey; stfassisi; kosta50; Kolokotronis
STF: ***Predestination means only that God knows what we will do, not that we are ‘obliged’ to do it.***

IT: No, predestine means we are destined to do it. Period. It is predetermined what will come about. Not what might come about.

Yes, quite correct. That which is predestined is predetermined by an ACT. In this case, by God.

STF, I think you may be mixing predestination with "foreknowledge". In the Bible, God specifically uses the word "predestine", and its forms, as a verb. If, as you say, predestination only refers to God knowing what we will do, then what is the actual act committed by God when He predestinates? Is it that He then knows what He didn't know before? Wouldn't that violate the principle of omniscience?

10,499 posted on 11/06/2007 12:15:47 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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