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To: Forest Keeper
I'm afraid the answer is "yes". With all due respect, this is my assessment of Jesus' priorities under the Roman Catholic faith. Jesus either has the power to save unilaterally, or He does notIf He does have that power, but chooses not to use it in favor of allowing man to choose whether to save himself by cooperating, then my supposition is accurate. That is, that it is more important to Jesus to let His beloved children die than for Him to do what any loving human parent would do, save the child's life in spite of the child's "suicidal" wishes.

First,how can they be "beloved" if they were created for hell?There is no love in hell.Thus to create something for that purpose is hate to begin with!

Dear Brother, here is a question for you.

If two men have the exact same sins at death...Do you think that Jesus could possibly save one, and send the other to hell?

Why would He do this?Just because he has power?

Do you think "power" is greater or equal to Love?

10,077 posted on 10/29/2007 5:04:57 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
First, how can they be "beloved" if they were created for hell? There is no love in hell. Thus to create something for that purpose is hate to begin with!

I was describing what I think the Catholic position is. I thought you believe that God loves everyone and that all are His children. I respectfully disagree with that since I don't think God loves all as His children. The Bible draws distinctions between God's children and all others. God did not give "the right to become children of God" to all, so all are not His children.

Dear Brother, here is a question for you. If two men have the exact same sins at death...Do you think that Jesus could possibly save one, and send the other to hell?

Yes, absolutely. In fact, I'm sure it is a mathematical certainty that there are plenty of people in Heaven who have sinned much worse than some in hell. Think of the thief on the cross, or David the murderer.

Why would He do this? Just because he has power?

Because Hitler and I are both equally deserving of going to hell:

James 2:10 : For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

No one is judged for hell based on the number or type of sins committed. Just the smallest one a single time is plenty enough. (Even original sin is enough, but that's a separate topic :) Just as the Bible tells us that we are not judged for Heaven based on our resume of works, neither are we judged for going to hell based on our resume of sins. "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". It doesn't say "For all have sinned ENOUGH ..." :) (Now, many believe, and I tend to agree that within hell there are different levels of punishment. So, a Hitler would be in the lowest.)

Do you think "power" is greater or equal to Love?

I'm not really sure how to compare the two in terms of one being "greater". All love is power, but not all power is love.

10,188 posted on 10/31/2007 12:36:50 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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