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To: stfassisi
First, how can they be "beloved" if they were created for hell? There is no love in hell. Thus to create something for that purpose is hate to begin with!

I was describing what I think the Catholic position is. I thought you believe that God loves everyone and that all are His children. I respectfully disagree with that since I don't think God loves all as His children. The Bible draws distinctions between God's children and all others. God did not give "the right to become children of God" to all, so all are not His children.

Dear Brother, here is a question for you. If two men have the exact same sins at death...Do you think that Jesus could possibly save one, and send the other to hell?

Yes, absolutely. In fact, I'm sure it is a mathematical certainty that there are plenty of people in Heaven who have sinned much worse than some in hell. Think of the thief on the cross, or David the murderer.

Why would He do this? Just because he has power?

Because Hitler and I are both equally deserving of going to hell:

James 2:10 : For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

No one is judged for hell based on the number or type of sins committed. Just the smallest one a single time is plenty enough. (Even original sin is enough, but that's a separate topic :) Just as the Bible tells us that we are not judged for Heaven based on our resume of works, neither are we judged for going to hell based on our resume of sins. "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". It doesn't say "For all have sinned ENOUGH ..." :) (Now, many believe, and I tend to agree that within hell there are different levels of punishment. So, a Hitler would be in the lowest.)

Do you think "power" is greater or equal to Love?

I'm not really sure how to compare the two in terms of one being "greater". All love is power, but not all power is love.

10,188 posted on 10/31/2007 12:36:50 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
“I thought you believe that God loves everyone and that all are His children.”

Yes,It is up to us to freely accept the love that God wills for all of us.We find this in the lives of the Saints.

A Saint is someone who “accepts” God’s will and fully embraces it,even if it means constant pain and a cross in their lives.They accept the will of God even if they don’t understand it at the time because the love they have for God exceeds anything beyond their own selfish will. It is a total emptying of self in order that Christ can use our human nature.

This is what we are all called to do,and it is the hardest thing for us to do as well. If we do this ,it opens us up to a love that is truly unconditional,that is, Christ’s love fully guiding us along with our love for Christ working together to bring the love of Christ to others through our human nature.

I wish you a Blessed day!

10,243 posted on 11/01/2007 9:29:44 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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