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Theo-con Pope tries to force all of us back to the Middle Ages (CINO Crying from Ireland)
Independent.ie ^ | 7/10/2007 | Justine McCarthy

Posted on 07/10/2007 9:08:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480


Pope Benedict XVI is greeted by children on his arrival for his annual holidays in Lorenzago di Cadore, northern Italy yesterday

I STUMBLED upon a Latin Mass last winter. It was grim, joyless, interminable and disquieting. There was no music. Nobody shook hands or brought gifts to the altar. It was as exuberant a celebration of creation as an expired fly left to rot on a window sill.

The only fanfare that threatened was the persistent, pedantic locking and unlocking of the little gate in the altar railing. A priest passed through this gateway at one stage, came to the side chapel where I knelt and entered a confession box, prompting the formation of a long-faced queue of sinners.

All the while, the officiating priest droned on, with his chasubled back to the congregation. He was, of course, flexing the dead Latin tongue, but it could as easily have been Aramaic or the lingua franca of Mars, such was his incomprehensible mumbling. Clearly, he was having a private conversation with his Maker.

It was when I quit trying to eavesdrop that I noticed the disapproving glances. Worshippers in the centre aisles - youngish, older and oldish men and women, most holding missals with frayed marker ribbons - were squinting disdainfully in my direction. I did a quick inventory. Was I standing in a forbidden place? Did I lack devoutedness? Did I have serpents for arms, was a slimy green monster surging through my buttoned coat?

Then I discerned what was different between them and me: the women over there had their heads covered, mostly with flowing Grace Kelly mantillas, whereas my female head, to the eternal damnation of my soul, was unconcealed. I left before Mass was over.

In the porch, I read a notice listing the regular Latin Mass times and I resolved not to return. As I walked away, I remembered hearing that there used to be two public houses side-by-side in a village near my home town. One was called 'The Ramble Inn'. The other was 'The Stagger Out'. Their juxtaposition was an eloquent synopsis of my morning. I did not feel I had been involved in a religious ceremony. I felt excluded, belittled, resented - an interloper in my own Church, a survivor - for how long more? - of the internal schism that eats away at the insides of the Roman Catholic Church.

Condemns

How predictable it has become that, whenever the Vatican makes some announcement eroding more of its grudging democracy, the media condemns it as an insult to Islam or Judaism. So it was again last weekend when Pope Benedict lifted the post-Vatican II restrictions on the 500-year-old Latin Mass. What about reconciliation with the Jewish community? demanded the global commentariat, with more than a little justification.

But what about Catholics, for Godsake? What about the indomitable faithful sickened by the grievously sinful institutional cover-up of paedophile priests? What about the AIDS-virus carriers who could have been safeguarded by condoms? What about monogamous, loving gays? What about women?

Most 'liberal Catholics' will again bite their tongues rather than criticise this latest genuflection to the fundamentalist clique because, when you are pro-choice you cannot be a bit anti-choice too.

If some people favour a church rite more appropriate to the 16th century, their preference should be accommodated. As the post-Vatican II hippies put it: different strokes for different folks and amen to that.

But this Tridentinist concession is not a simple toss-up between guitars, tambourines and Kumbaya versus the Council of Trent. The pope's own profoundly political psyche puts paid to such simplism.

This is a man who waged a diplomatic offensive to get God into the EU constitution, who condemned record numbers of theologians when he ran the old Inquisition office in Rome, and who denounced feminism for undermining the structures of society.

This is the man who welcomed the illegal joint invader of Iraq, Tony Blair, to the Vatican as a fraternal visitor while threatening politicians in Mexico and Spain with automatic excommunication for legalising abortion and gay marriage.

Reprimands

This is a moral crusader bringing the liberals of the US and Europe to heel by dispensing reprimands and interdicts, as if he is the landlord of Catholicism.

As long as he reigns, women will not be priests. His holy grail of 'family values' is a pre-'60s kitchenscape of woman chained to the sink by her rosary beads. Being treated as second-class citizens is normal life for Catholic women. Being made to cover your arms by the Swiss Guard and having your president denigrated for wearing a flower in her lapel is par for the course. Still, it beats being burned at the stake.

THE past, however, has crept menacingly closer with this Latin Mass announcement. It is a statement about the priorities of the ruling theo-cons in Rome, at a time when a scarcity of clergy is a pressing concern in Europe.

Last Sunday, when the Tridentine news was percolating through, it was announced in a church not a mile from the one where the Latin version is routinely celebrated that evening Masses were being cancelled due to a shortage of priests.

In politics, as Pope Benedict well knows, emphasis is the message. And the destination on the message board reads: The Middle Ages.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; cino; europeanchristians; latinmass; whine
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To: Tax-chick

Mr. Sheed will be sorry he missed this thread.


21 posted on 07/10/2007 9:47:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Do you think she makes better sense when she's has a little Guinness?

Did Maureen Dowd right this article? She could have.

22 posted on 07/10/2007 10:06:29 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (take my governor, please)
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To: Pyro7480
And the destination on the message board reads: The Middle Ages.

I think a little more precisely, the early Middle Ages, c. 1000 AD, if not c. 790 AD. One reason a lot of us Orthodox concur that Benedict XVI is our favorite Bishop of Rome since, about 1009.

23 posted on 07/10/2007 10:28:24 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Pyro7480

***flexing the dead Latin tongue, but it could as easily have been Aramaic or the lingua franca of Mars***

HA HA HA HA HA

This woman obviously doesn’t know that “lingua franca” is “dead Latin” ...


24 posted on 07/10/2007 10:29:09 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Pyro7480

I feel sorry for her. She might well have a brain tumor.


25 posted on 07/10/2007 10:30:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; Maeve; AnAmericanMother

All I can say is “Bravo for the ‘theo-con’ Pope”! Stay the course, Pope Benedict! My former pastor, a magnificent Irish dreadnought of the old school, would have quite a few colorful Irish expressions for this CINO from Ireland, Lord love him!


26 posted on 07/10/2007 10:34:11 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Presidente Jorge: "Y'all choose between Dhimmitude or Aztlantude!")
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To: trisham

I’d put up some South African wine suggestions, if I thought it would help, but the batty journalist is probably still boycotting South Africa.


27 posted on 07/10/2007 11:15:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: Tax-chick

Really? South Africa?


28 posted on 07/10/2007 11:18:13 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480
Oh my, where to begin?

I STUMBLED upon a Latin Mass last winter. It was grim, joyless, interminable and disquieting.

In my humble opinion. But since I'm a liberal, everything I say is always right.

There was no music.

It's called a Low Mass, Justine. I've never even been to Traditional Mass and even I know this.

Nobody shook hands or brought gifts to the altar.

I was shocked and horrified. No guitars? No three dozen little old ladies in the sanctuary? No clapping?! This was supposed to be a Catholic church?!?

The only fanfare that threatened was the persistent, pedantic locking and unlocking of the little gate in the altar railing.

Clericism!

All the while, the officiating priest droned on, with his chasubled back to the congregation. He was, of course, flexing the dead Latin tongue, but it could as easily have been Aramaic or the lingua franca of Mars, such was his incomprehensible mumbling.
And since I hated it, everyone else should!

It was when I quit trying to eavesdrop that I noticed the disapproving glances...the women over there had their heads covered, mostly with flowing Grace Kelly mantillas, whereas my female head, to the eternal damnation of my soul, was unconcealed.

They were soooo mean! Seriously, she may have a point against giving dirty looks to people who may not know any better, but I suspect her memory blew this about 100x out of proportion to reality.

I did not feel I had been involved in a religious ceremony. I felt excluded, belittled, resented

Emotionally overwrought...

- an interloper in my own Church

Well, you said it, not me.

How predictable it has become that, whenever the Vatican makes some announcement eroding more of its grudging democracy...

Such a shame we can't vote for the Pope. Can't you just see you great it would be if Popes were politicians?

What about reconciliation with the Jewish community? demanded the global commentariat, with more than a little justification.

What about having Abe Foxman tell the Holy See how to run everything?

What about the indomitable faithful sickened by the grievously sinful institutional cover-up of paedophile priests? What about the AIDS-virus carriers who could have been safeguarded by condoms? What about monogamous, loving gays? What about women?

What about MEEEEEEEEEEEE!

...when you are pro-choice you cannot be a bit anti-choice too.

And yet, somehow, they manage to be so.

If some people favour a church rite more appropriate to the 16th century...

But if Justine were suddenly transported back to the 16th century (and hopefully to Spain), she'd hate the Mass then too.

This is a man who waged a diplomatic offensive to get God into the EU constitution
Yes!

who condemned record numbers of theologians when he ran the old Inquisition office in Rome

YES!!!!

and who denounced feminism for undermining the structures of society.

Long live the Pope!!!

This is the man who welcomed the illegal joint invader of Iraq, Tony Blair, to the Vatican as a fraternal visitor while threatening politicians in Mexico and Spain with automatic excommunication for legalising abortion and gay marriage.

This is is a man who wears clothes from the Dark Ages! Do you hear me??? The Dark Ages!

This is a moral crusader bringing the liberals of the US and Europe to heel by dispensing reprimands and interdicts, as if he is the landlord of Catholicism.

As if he were the head of the Catholic Church or something!

As long as he reigns, women will not be priests.

As long as Christ reigns, my feminist pipe dreams will not be realized.

THE past, however, has crept menacingly closer

For the orthodox, the God exists outside of time. For the modernists, the Past is menacing!

...at a time when a scarcity of clergy is a pressing concern in Europe.

I wonder what caused that scarcity...hmmmm......

In politics, as Pope Benedict well knows, emphasis is the message. And the destination on the message board reads: The Middle Ages.

The Dark Ages! Boo!
29 posted on 07/10/2007 11:26:45 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: Pyro7480; Tax-chick
Well, when we went to the TLM at the Cathedral I couldn't FIND my chapel cap.

I didn't find it until a week later, right where I'd looked before . . . and after I'd ordered a shoulder-length Spanish lace veil for my daughter and for myself (hers is white, mine steel-gray).

But nobody looked at us funny, not even the family of six behind us with the wife and all the little girls in beautiful lace veils . . . in fact, they seemed glad to see us!

And the service was nice -- it was LONG, but that was mostly because the Cathedral was jammed to the rafters and it took the celebrant and his altar boys nearly 40 minutes to administer Communion to everybody who wanted to receive. And before and after there were six priests hearing Confessions non-stop!

P.S. . . . I think kneelers are indicated at the altar rail, that was mighty hard marble! NEXT time, I am wearing my gardening kneepads under my dress!!!!!!

30 posted on 07/10/2007 11:33:38 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Logophile
Well, maybe she can just become a Wiccan and run naked through the woods and leave decent people alone?

'Scuse me, I have to go rinse my brain with Lysol after thinking of THAT . . . .

31 posted on 07/10/2007 11:36:19 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Pyro7480

Not to put to fine a point on it — with a squirming child on my lap, but this gal ought to stick her head in a toilet and flush.


32 posted on 07/10/2007 11:36:50 AM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: Pyro7480; Irish_Thatcherite; Tax-chick; ELS; Coleus

Where are you Irish_Thatcherite?!

We need you now more than ever!


33 posted on 07/10/2007 11:42:00 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Maeve

Maeve, you’re reputation for bluntness precedes you. ;-) God bless you!


34 posted on 07/10/2007 11:47:37 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Why should she become a Protestant? She is already a Liberal.


35 posted on 07/10/2007 11:50:05 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

See post 31. I already amended my thought (maybe not for the better though.)


36 posted on 07/10/2007 11:54:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Cutter Skinsations works well for bare skin in the woods. On the other hand, let the mosquitoes have their fill.


37 posted on 07/10/2007 12:00:12 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: marsh_of_mists

LOL, good translation. The minute someone reveals she’s pro-death (pro-abortion) she invalidates any other point she’s making, because it’s clear she’s not Catholic and sadly has not experienced inner Christian conversion or spirituality.


38 posted on 07/10/2007 12:02:16 PM PDT by baa39 (Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.)
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To: RobbyS
Mosquitos gagging and dropping like flies . . . .

(do they HAVE mosquitos in Ireland?)

39 posted on 07/10/2007 12:02:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
She should just shut up and become a Protestant, already.

We Protestants don't want her. Tell her to try the atheists down the street.

40 posted on 07/10/2007 12:03:10 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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