Our Mormon Brothers?

Reformed Evangelist ^ | May 14th, 2007 | Jeff Fuller

[Osage Orange]

If God allowed me to be deceived by Satan, as many anti-Mormons alleged, why then would he tell me God is real and Jesus is his Son?

How about because he, Satan is a deceiver? Who mixes truth with falsehoods.....

What better way to deceive? Satan knows the bible better than most humans...God knows..His ex-head praise and worship angel knows who His Son is. Lying & deception is his mark.

Sincere prayer or not....the one that roars like a lion, is a liar. And you wouldn't be the first one to be fooled.

Just because you prayed, and think you got an answer doesn't mean it was from God. I've known too many folks that have been tripped up like that.

The exact opposite of what you have said could be said of many who've left Mormonism...They grew up in the LDS way...and had revelations/questions/prayers answered that "proved to them" that Mormonism was absolutely false. How is that?

[Enosh]

I'm not going to bother reading your entire post because the first example is telling.

"Ex 15:11 Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? Who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?"

If you think this means that God is one among many, then you also believe in the many idols/false gods of the day.

So, sacrificed any children to Molech lately?

[Edward Watson]

Like I’ve said repeatedly, if God allowed me to be deceived by Satan when I went to him in sincere prayer; he then is not worthy of my worship and I will accuse him of lying to me at Judgment Day. I’ll gladly go to hell than worship such a capricious god. He is untrustworthy and subjective.

[Edward Watson]

Oh gosh, another person whose shallow knowledge of the Bible will damn him from his full potential. Too bad you will never join the bene ha elohim ...

[greyfoxx39]

My question: "Query: What makes the mormon's prayers and answers superior to ours? Why do you expect us to accept your sources of information, when you demonize our message and the source (and ridicule and insult the messengers with personal attacks)?"

Your answer:

"Frankly, I do NOT care whether you believe my experience of an answered prayer - that’s between me and God. If it was false, I’ll charge him with lying to me when I came to him in sincere prayer.

I’m just saying I believe ANYONE who says God told them the opposite is a liar and I will never believe them over God."

LOL, and I'm surprised that is your answer....NOT!

[MHGinTN]

The spirit of antichrist is strong in you, Ed. I’ll keep praying for you though. Wander back into your Bible and read what Jesus said about Himself, His work, His baptism. [HINT: Jesus stated flatly, “No man cometh to the Father but by me”. He is the Way, the Truth, and The Light. All have come short of the Glory of God. There is none righteous, no not one. Enjoy your evening, Ed.]

[greyfoxx39]

We wanted to drink coffee and tea, so we gave up our potential exaltation. All of these Romney posts and he has remained silent?;)

All of these Romney posts and he has remained silent?

I believe it takes a lot of time to debate and write books, perhaps that's why we haven't been treated to the "Wonderful World of Watson" before now.

[Enosh]

"shallow knowledge of the Bible"

You are the one equating false gods with God in Scripture in order to claim the Bible teaches polytheism.

Your claim is flatly false on its face.

I also noticed that you didn't refute the claim of Mormon polytheism, instead you chose to attack the Bible.

[colorcountry]

No, you’re wrong. There are righteous Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jain, Muslims, atheists, and so forth, regardless of your personal beliefs on the matter

There is none righteous. Not me, you or any Jew Hindu or Buddhist.

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

[Edward Watson]

Ditto to you. I’m glad I participated here today - I won’t again for a very long while since it’s a waste of time and effort. You anti-Mormons with your smug arrogance and constant lies and misrepresentations about my church are a drain on the soul and you deserve what you get when the time comes.

Christ is definitely not pleased when his so-called followers behave in such a manner.

I’m also glad to see there’s still no substance to your arguments - perhaps someone, someday will follow our exchanges and see who between us faced the facts without engaging in logical fallacies.

I’m outta here!

[greyfoxx39]

Re: #578, Guess Who? Recognize the spam technique?

[Enosh]

Hey GF...

"smug arrogance" - that might be new.

(Christ's) "so-called followers" - Also new?

[greyfoxx39]

Well, I got these, "Geez, another self-righteous, intolerant fanatic"...and " Sure sounds like another mindless, irrational fanatic with nothing better to do."

Point me to the posts the others are in...a true gold mine today ;)

[colorcountry]

Sorry to see you go. I didn’t get to finish my post about rightousness.

This is for the benefit of any who are still reading:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

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25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

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26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

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27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

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28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

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[MHGinTN]

The same illogic in the following flawed syllogism is familiar: “Christ is definitely not pleased when his so-called followers behave in such a manner.” Satan is a master of Gordian ‘nots’.

[Osage Orange]

Your words......

Despite this, I firmly believe it’s the true church and if it isn’t, then there is no “true church” on the earth, and probably no God either.

Then this post...and your words again.

Lookit, if you don’t want to be exalted, who’s forcing you? You don’t have to join the Mormon church in order to be saved and go to heaven. Stay where you are, have faith in Christ and live righteously

Wait a minute......are you really saying, us mere Christians will not be exalted in God's eyes?

And to top it off....if Mormonism is false..then there's no God?

BTW, is there only one God?

[greyfoxx39]

Are you gonna make me wade back thru all that crap to get the post numbers? I keep the date, post no. and name for future reference.

HUH?

[Greg F]

If he was born how could he exist before he existed? If he didn’t exist then he is not eternal. What you need to do NEED to do, is take a serious look at Joseph Smith. I can point you to outright lies made by Joseph Smith to the Church:

Joseph Smith is provably a liar. Toward the end of Smith’s life people began to learn of his polygamy, which he kept hidden. William Law was Joseph Smith’s second counselor in the church’s First Presidency. He filed suit against Joseph Smith for living ``in an open state of adultery’’ with 19-year-old Maria Lawrence.

In 1844, Joseph Smith already had at least 33 wives

http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/insacred.htm#chart

Joseph Smith falsely denied he was a polygamist:

What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.

I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience; and then I sent my brother Hyrum, whom they virtually kicked out of doors.

Here is a link to the actual sermon where he falsely denied polygamy in response to the accusations:

http://www.boap.org/LDS/History/History_of_the_Church/Vol_VI

Do a find for: “Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo.”

Similarly I can show you that the Book of Mormon was written by a man, not God, and is false prophecy because incorrect.

You don’t need the Holy Spirit to escape a cult. God (the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, who existed before “In the beginning” — the real eternal God), God gave you a mind. You can blinker yourself to all evidence or you can find the truth and believe in Christ. “In the beginning was the word . . .” The beginning being “the beginning,” not an intermediate point in an a eternal universe that creates God.

Basically, your theology is “There is not a beginning, but there was a universe and it created God, but was not God . . .”

That theology was created by a proven liar.

[Greg F]

If it was false, I’ll charge him with lying to me when I came to him in sincere prayer.
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Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:21-25)

[Osage Orange]

No, you’re wrong. There are righteous Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jain, Muslims, atheists, and so forth, regardless of your personal beliefs on the matter. What’s going to happen to them? Roast in hell for all eternity? Sorry, my God is not that cruel and unjust.

Surely you jest.........!!!

Do you actually deny the Word of God on this subject?

Do you really, really not believe in the Word of God? The God I serve is a God of His Word. And His Word is the same today, as yesterday, and forever. Do NOT mock is Word.

Frankly, sir you are proving you have been deceived.