Posted on 07/05/2007 3:00:33 AM PDT by Gamecock
That is another thing you seem to miscalculate I am pressing forward in spite of obstacles in my life. Sometime beings like you have to be reminded of your lack manners!
“NO Tradition of Men Church who Creed orginated in 325 AD represent the Lord Church on earth...”
... only those originating restoration in 1830 AD!
“restoration”
Yea! Crucial things like polytheism, blasphemy, idolatry,
polygamy... and so much more that the church had to do
without for 1500 long, long years.
Best,
The Personage ampu
But using the "God could have..." rationalization proves nothing. God "could have" worn rhinestones, pleated trousers and a feathered boa, but that's not how Scripture describes Him.
(God was once a man) is something that is not "Doctrine" of the church because the prophet and General authorities of the the church have not come out and said it was "Doctrine"
We are bound by Scripture and the indwelling Holy Spirit for all our beliefs, neither of which says anything about God having ever been a human being.
Unlike Joseph Smith and the Doctrines and Covenants of your church, which say exactly that...
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" (Teachings of the Prophet, J. F. Smith p 345). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22). "God himself, the Father of us all was once a man like us." (History of the Church, Vol 6, Joseph Smith p 305).
So this bizarre notion that God the Father was once a man is much more than a "personal belief" -- it is part of your "doctrines" and was taught by your "prophet."
resty,
I don’t agree with you on much, but I admire your
perseverance.
ampu
Being a prophet has its perks, being God is better
Let me count the ways...
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" -- Exodus 34:14
Men do not become God by being Christians. Through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, we become more and more Christ-like. But we always remain human beings, fallen sinners who are unable to save ourselves and in need of a Savior who will clothe us in His righteousness, His obedience, His mercy.
Your error is the basic lie of the occult -- that men can become gods.
We are saved by Christ within us, not by our becoming Christ ourselves.
It's a distinction upon which our salvation turns.
lol. Everyone needs a goal.
Mormen men get to be God. I don’t think women do. They don’t even get “called up” out of the graves lest their husbands decide they do. So their “Christ” (and I suspect J
Smith be he) doesn’t save anybody. Mormons do not believe in a personal relationship with Christ, and no wonder, they don’t know who He is.
Praise God that He brought you out of that cult of lies!
Romans 8
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Mosiah 3:
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
Alma 13:
12 Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence; and there were many, exceedingly great many, who were made pure and entered into the rest of the Lord their God.
D&C 11:
12 And now, verily, verily, I say unto thee, put your trust in that Spirit which leadeth to do good—yea, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously; and this is my Spirit.
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Where is the Scripture to support any of this peculiar, heretical notion which exalts man at the expense of the Triune God?Worse, it contradicts scripture, proving itself false
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him worship him in spirit and in truth.
Well I read that both God and Man worship in spirit!
Yet man still has a body and you can not prove that God dose not a Celestial body, The scriptures only tell us the we worship the Godhead by our spirits
Well I read that both God and Man worship in spirit!
We know that His only begotton Son Jesus Christ has received a Celestial Body
Romans 8
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Where do you get this stuff?
It seems some folks will pick up anything they read and spread it around, it matter not if it is not correct just throw it out there and see if it will stick!
So, you admit the belief that you can become like Jesus, you can become like God. Interesting that scripture says that is the sin of Satan, that is the lie that Satan told Eve where she was deceived. Interesting that it is by grace and grace alone that you are saved, yet your cult has said that what God Himself did was just not quite good enough, that He needs man's help for man to achieve his own salvation. This thread is about whether or not Mormonism is Christian. You just proved that it is not.
Isaiah 14:13-14, You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven;above the stars of God, I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit.
Ezekiel 28:2, 10"Because your heart is proud, and you have said, 'I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods, in the heart of the seas,' yet you are but a man, and no god, though you make your heart like the heart of a god-- ... You shall die the death of the uncircumcised by the hand of foreigners; for I have spoken, declares the Lord GOD."
1 Sam 2:2: "There is none holy like the LORD; there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.
2 Sam 7:22: Therefore you are great, O LORD God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. Gen 3: 4-5: "But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Eph 2:4-10 "But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved-- and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
The reason your cult is so desirable, the reason that it satifies itchy ears is because it means that if a man does enough good, that he can eleveate himself to the same position as God. And that is blasphemy and heresy. It just is. Not my words, but the Word itself. The god of mormonism just simply is not the God of the bible. The scriptures make that clear over and over. Yet, man wants to make himself like God - Eve fell for it in the garden, Satan lost his position for the same type of pride. It comes in all forms. LDS just happens to be a pretty obvious one.
LDS Apostle Charles W. Penrose wrote:
In the divine economy, as in nature, the man “is the head of the woman,” and it is written that “he is the savior of the body.” But “the man is not without the woman” any more than the woman is without the man, in the Lord. Adam was first formed, then Eve. In the resurrection, they stand side by side and hold dominion together. Every man who overcomes all things and is thereby entitled to inherit all things, receives power to bring up his wife to join him in the possession and enjoyment thereof.
In the case of a man marrying a wife in the everlasting covenant who dies while he continues in the flesh and marries another by the same divine law, each wife will come forth in her order and enter with him into his glory. (”Mormon” Doctrine Plain and Simple, or Leaves from the Tree of Life, by Charles W. Penrose, p.66, 1897, Salt Lake City, UT.)
LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following
It is interesting but still it is not doctrine. I would call this a discourse or pondering the great beyond.
So many here want to take a personal opinion or belief and lable it LDS doctrine.
The offical scriptures and doctrine are in the standard works.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
On January 1, 2000 I was a very strong true believer. At that moment in time I was serving as 2nd Counselor in the Bishopric of my Ward. And I paid very close attention to everything going on in the church then as an avid reader of every Ensign and Church News edition throughout both decades. While at BYU in the late 80s and early 90s I probably read every copy of the Church News from the 1970s and I probably read most of the copies of the Improvement Era from that same timeframe. In my lifetime I've read the Book of Mormon at least 23 times, most likely about 25-26 but I stopped keepin track at around 21. If the Mormon church was true I'd be back in a heartbeat. And that's the truth, period.
You folks spend more time dwelling on these things than the LDS.
Most are busy earning a living to support their family and do their church calling and being good neighbors and citizen.
When one I keeping their covenants they allow the Lord to edify them.
From your natural man mind set all you can do is faultfind but if you were doing the Will of the Heavenly Father as Jesus taught you would find this kind of behavior repugnance.
The LDS eyes were open because of the Book of Mormon than when one reads the Bible the eyes see the truth was always there, but unable to see or discern it because of the conditioning by the Tradition of Men, in the n=manner they had framed the Lord words. But when one allows the Holy Spirit to teach, many marvelous things began to surface.
Mosiah 3:
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
When one is truly in the light of the Lord they would find this kind of behavior of faultfinding bashing of their neighbor faith abhorrence!
Than when reading the Book as you said you have you must of had his radiances!
I can tell who reads the Book of Mormon by the look upon their countenance.
I know when I am basking in his spirit and when the natural man surfaces.
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