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To: topher

Please remember, I’m not arguing to dishonor the remains of the godly dead. Of course graves and objects associated with the godly of the “Church Triumphant” should be protected and honored. It’s just in scripture itself, there seems to be no place for using relics in the way, particularly in medieval times, these objects were used—that is as a direct aid to worship. When the bronze serpent Moses made at God’s command to heal the people in the Wilderness(Numbers 21), the one Jesus Himself said was prophetic of His passion (John 3:14), became an object of worship (or an aid to worship?) in the Temple area, the good king Hezekiah destroyed it (2 Kings 18:4)...

There’s no question too that godly power has blessed people in healings and such, from relics—still, if using these things is something that should be a normal thing, why doesn’t scripture show us this? All kinds of instruction for godly living are given in the New Testament—but relics as aids to worship are left out. Jesus even criticized the Jewish leadership making a big deal about the tombs of the prophets... (Mat. 23:29; Luke 11:47,48) saying their ancestors were the ones who killed them. I just cannot get past the fact that the New Testament recommends nothing for relic veneration—in the way it has been done historically since the middle ages.


59 posted on 06/25/2007 9:26:57 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
It was actually pagans that started part of this.

They found that the relics of saints had healing power.

Also, for a long time to prove one was Pope, one had the bones of Saint Peter.

Jesus still said that do not give what is holy to dogs. Clearly, even the remains of the saints are favored by God with some special blessing.

So showing veneration (not worship) of this relics is with what Jesus said -- they are holy things and should be shown respect.

Though I somewhat agree with what you are saying, you are not listening to the words of Jesus on this.

Clearly, we need role models. One example is Saint Maria Goretti. She tried to protect her virtue at all costs. She also offered up the pain and suffering from her attacker when she died, and did not complain despite the terrible pain she was in.

Again, the purpose of knowing that these people are truly favored by God also means that we know that these people can intercede for us and that we should learn the lesson of how they lived their lives.

These relics are holy objects and have been proven to be that. That is something you must understand. That is why the favors are granted...

60 posted on 06/26/2007 1:42:02 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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