Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: 1000 silverlings
You say that we say:
Apparently now Mary is the eucharist, not even Christ.

To support this proposition you offer:
"the Mother of the Mystical Body, of which the Eucharist is the symbol and vital center."

I don't see how this supports your proposition. I know that in answering even the most ridiculous charge levied by anti-Catholics, "parsing" is considered somehow wrong, but this cries out for parsing. The relative clause "of which the Eucharist is the symbol and vital center" modifies "Body".
Further "body" is the object of the preposition "of" in a prepositional phrase which modifies "Mother".

It is not the mother of which the Eucharist is the symbol but the Body. The quote indicates that the Eucharist body of Christ, which is not a new thing for us to assert, and the Church is the mystical body of Christ, a notion you may have read before, and that the Eucharist therefore symbolizes the Church, a notion advocated in an argument against something I said -- by a Protestant!

I know that you don't think that the Eucharistic species are truly the Body and Blood of Christ, but I didn't think the notion that the Church is the mystical body of Christ was controversial, or that it was controversial that Mary was the mother of the sho' 'nuff body of Christ, though I suppose I can understand some balking at concluding from that that she is somehow the Mother of the Church.

But the fragment you cite neither says, implies, nor suggests that Mary IS the Eucharist...
...EXCEPT in the sense that the "elements" we offer are symbols of many things including our selves, since it is not only God's bounty through nature, but human work that makes bread and wine and that yields the profits which can be spent on supplying them for the altar. So, if you are baptized with water in the name of the Trinity, we would say that you also are offered in the Eucharist.

Now to the second citation:
"We trust that they will imitate in her the most perfect model of union with Jesus our Head; we trust that they will join Mary in the offering of the Divine Victim."

I just don't see how this adds anything to your contention.

I know that reason and logic really need not apply in conversations with people who gleefully accuse us of worshipping a "wafer god", but in my better moments at least, I try to use the odd spot of reason and logic. Here my efforts lead to no connection between your proposition and the words you quote. Our union with Christ as members of his body is imperfect, and the promise made is that it will become more perfect. That's controversial?

286 posted on 06/14/2007 7:45:28 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 278 | View Replies ]


To: Mad Dawg; GoLightly; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; P-Marlowe

So in your mass then, is “the chuch” as Mary, or united to Mary as one, now “immolating Christ”. Is that what you all are up to in the “mystical rite?” just asking, cause it sure looks like it


289 posted on 06/14/2007 11:18:19 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 286 | View Replies ]

To: Mad Dawg
we trust that they will join Mary in the offering of the Divine Victim

By making Christ a victim & saying that Mary (and we) are offering Him, it's putting everything totally upside down. I'm not saying that we are victims of anything other than ourselves, but instead it's giving us a whole lot more power in all of it IMHO. Christ offered Himself & Mary is joining us in recieving Him makes a lot more sense.

293 posted on 06/14/2007 2:38:25 PM PDT by GoLightly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 286 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson