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To: ksen; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; topcat54; irishtenor; HarleyD; blue-duncan; MovieMogul
You know, who says Barth is the "daddy of 20th century theology" anyway?

I don't believe he's any more prominent or correct than Van Til or Warfield. In fact, I wouldn't even put his evasion in the same category as Van Til and Warfield and Machen, etc.

VAN TIL: "Total depravity. That means the whole glass is poisoned. It's not as poisoned as it could be, but it's all poisoned. The faculties of soul are all turned against God by nature. All are poisoned by sin. Wherever there is evidence of God, which is everywhere, man will deny it. You see, God must reach down and save dead men in their trespasses and sins. You do not heal a dead man. You resurrect him. Man is not sick, not drowning, but dead. Dead is dead. You can't throw him a rope. A dead man can't grab anything. Your mother is dead without Christ. Your culture is dead without Christ. This is the problem with Karl Barth, there's no space-and-time redemption by Christ. There's no change of the unbeliever to believer. There's no challenge to the natural man. That's why Barth is poison. Water and sulfuric acid look the same, right? If you drink sulfuric acid, it will kill you. Barth has placed sulfuric acid in our water bottles and told us it is water. Barth has created the systematically most satanic philosophy ever devised by the mind of man. Salvation is like cleaning a bad tooth. It's no good if your dentist tells you your tooth is okay when it's rotten. The dentist has to go down, drill out the decay and replace it with gold. This is what salvation is."

130 posted on 05/21/2007 3:50:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You know, who says Barth is the "daddy of 20th century theology" anyway?

I don't believe he's any more prominent or correct than Van Til or Warfield. In fact, I wouldn't even put his evasion in the same category as Van Til and Warfield and Machen, etc.

I agree. Clearly there was a Barth bias going on, which reminds me of an article in Time magazine a couple of years ago proclaiming Stanley Hauerwas the most influencial and important theologian in America. Those of us familiar with Duke's School of Divinity and Hauerwas , had to shake our heads and laugh at the silliness of that article.

131 posted on 05/21/2007 4:07:06 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Van Til: "Man is not sick, not drowning, but dead."

Not much of a theologian, but isn't there something Jesus said about coming "to heal the sick"?

135 posted on 05/21/2007 5:22:12 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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....Warfield...

I’m waiting for my Warfield book to arrive so I can read on my flight to the States this Sunday. Hope it gets here.


155 posted on 05/21/2007 10:43:32 PM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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