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To: OLD REGGIE
The Ignatius leters are even more problematic with most, if not all, being proven forgeries.

Wow! Where can I go to learn more? 30 some years ago at Virginia Theological they weren't saying that and they were pretty much au courant with that kind o' stuff. ou got your favorite site/ source for the, ahem provenance (pass the brie, please) of the Ignatz corpus?

2,082 posted on 03/21/2007 9:09:37 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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To: Mad Dawg
Wow! Where can I go to learn more? 30 some years ago at Virginia Theological they weren't saying that and they were pretty much au courant with that kind o' stuff. ou got your favorite site/ source for the, ahem provenance (pass the brie, please) of the Ignatz corpus?

Do you want me to begin with a Catholic "Friendly" site?

Collections

The oldest collection of the writings of St. Ignatius known to have existed was that made use of by the historian Eusebius in the first half of the fourth century, but which unfortunately is no longer extant. It was made up of the seven letters written by Ignatius whilst on his way to Rome; These letters were addressed to the Christians

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We find these seven mentioned not only by Eusebius ("Hist. eccl.", III, xxxvi) but also by St. Jerome (De viris illust., c. xvi). Of later collections of Ignatian letters which have been preserved, the oldest is known as the "long recension". This collection, the author of which is unknown, dates from the latter part of the fourth century. It contains the seven genuine and six spurious letters, but even the genuine epistles were greatly interpolated to lend weight to the personal views of its author. For this reason they are incapable of bearing witness to the original form. The spurious letters in this recension are those that purport to be from Ignatius

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It is extremely probable that the interpolation of the genuine, the addition of the spurious letters, and the union of both in the long recension was the work of an Apollonarist of Syria or Egypt, who wrote towards the beginning of the fifth century. Funk identifies him with the compiler of the Apostolic Constitutions, which came out of Syria in the early part of the same century. Subsequently there was added to this collection a panegyric on St. Ignatius entitled, "Laus Heronis". Though in the original it was probably written in Greek, it is now extant only in Latin and Coptic texts. There is also a third recension, designated by Funk as the "mixed collection". The time of its origin can be only vaguely determined as being between that of the collection known to Eusebius and the long recension. Besides the seven genuine letters of Ignatius in their original form, it also contains the six spurious ones, with the exception of that to the Philippians.

Catholic Encyclopedia - Ignatius Of Antioch

Please note:

The first mention of the letters was made by Eusebius but they don't exist. Hmmmmmmmmmm!

Of the copies (known forgeries and ??? maybe authentic which do exist there is both a long and a short recension. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm At least one of these copies must be fraudulent.

Finally we have the standard "smoke" language.

2,098 posted on 03/21/2007 3:07:11 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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